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[Announce] iPeng 7, the iOS 7 Squeezebox App for iPhone and iPad
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pippin
2013-12-11 03:48:33 UTC
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As already mentioned in the "leak" thread, I want to introduce an
entirely new iOS App: iPeng 7.
It comes with an overhauled user interface adapted to iOS 7, it is a
universal App (the same App runs on iPhone, iPad and iPod touch), and it
has become even more powerful and user friendly compared to earlier
iPeng versions.

iPeng 7 is not an update of the existing iPeng and iPeng for iPad
versions, it’s a new App, and yes, as an existing customer, you will
have to buy it “again”, however, existing Playback In-App-Purchases will
stay valid as long as you transfer them using iCloud or use the same
device for the old and the new App.

WHY A NEW APP?

iPeng has been around for almost five years now, and during that time it
saw numerous updates, redesigns and new features, and except for
Playback all of those came for free. But adding features and creating
updates is a lot of work and actually costs a lot of money. Since the
Squeezebox system was discontinued by Logitech and since iPeng is
already so present in the Squeezebox user base, we were not able to
justify new developments for existing Apps for iOS 7 from new sales.
After all, users who do not wish to buy the new App do not have to: the
old iPeng Apps still work flawlessly, even under iOS 7.
I don't want to give up on supporting the Squeezeboxes, so a new App was
the choice.

LEGACY SUPPORT
There is one more good reason for this: I don't want to entirely give up
on supporting old devices.
Even though you can now download previous versions of Apps from the App
Store only the latest version can get updates.

I have stayed committed to support old devices in the past, and actually
iPeng is among a very small minority of Apps still providing updates
that run on iOS 4 devices (iPhone 3G 2nd generation iPod touch) while
most Apps on the App Store require iOS 6 for quite a while now.

This clearly interferes with modernizing an App. We have felt this
problem even with the previous iPeng versions, but for iOS 7 it has
become really imminent: it is very, very hard to create an App that both
integrates well with iOS 7 and still supports older OS versions.
Supporting iOS 4 and 5 would have been completely out of the question.
So for us, bringing out this App as an update would have meant that we
could not provide our Apps for all devices that only support iOS 5 (e.g.
3rd generation iPod touch and iPad 1) and probably also those with iOS 6
(i.e. iPhone 3GS) anymore. We could not only no longer provide updates
and bug fixes for these devices.

THE DECISION
So the decision was to make a clean cut. iPeng 7 is a new App, it uses a
modernized platform and code base to fully support iOS 7, and to ease
the pain a little bit, it will be a universal App for both iPhone /iPod
and iPad. Existing Playback purchases can be migrated. And if you don’t
like iOS 7, you can still use the old version.

BUT I JUST BOUGHT THE OLD IPENG!
Please contact me under coolio (att) penguinlovesmusic (dott) com and
send your App Store receipt.

SO WHAT’S NEW IN IPENG 7

Besides providing an entirely iOS 7-like look and feel, iPeng 7 also
brings a number of new features users have been asking for for a long
time – after all, one of the merits of not having to keep legacy support
is that you can improve things more easily.
There are a lot of details that got improved, and I will write more
articles on them in the future, but here are the highlights:

REDESIGNED IPAD USER INTERFACE

iPeng for iPad’s user interface has started to look dated for quite a
while, and we have taken the opportunity to completely redesign it.
Player- and Playlist-related controls have been separated out to
different bars at the top and bottom of the screen, there are no
“hidden” controls anymore (yet there still are convenience gestures,
actually a lot of them!),, and the whole screen layout got tidied up.
In landscape mode you can now pin down the current playlist to
permanently show it next to the library content, and the content window
can be scaled to show even more of these gorgeous views iPeng uses to
present your music library and other content.

FULLY CUSTOMIZABLE MAIN MENU

A lot of users have asked to be able to change their main menu structure
to have other menu items on the home menu or hide things they don’t
need. iPeng 7 now allows you to do that through a simple drag-and-drop
interface.

NEW MULTIPLAYER CONTROL
The MultiPlayer Control used to select players and music sources and to
manage synchronization has been redesigned to structure it better and to
make changes more easy and transparent.

CAN I HAVE IT IN BLACK?
Hell, yes!

This has been one of our “most frequently asked questions”, and in the
past it had been impossible on iPhone and “too hard” on iPad, but with
iOS 7 we are finally there: yes, there is a switch to select a black
/dark user interface.

GET IT NOW!
For the first week, iPeng 7 is selling at an introductory price. So, if
you like what you’ve seen and read, go to the App Store, get iPeng 7 now
and have fun!
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ipeng7/id767266886?mt=8&uo=4&at=10l56j

If you want to learn more first, here's the full announcement:
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2013/12/11/introducing-ipeng-7/
Here's the "leak" thread with lots of details:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?100478-Leak-iOS-7/

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hvb83
2013-12-11 10:08:20 UTC
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Great work Pippin, bought the new app the minute I saw the post on FB.
Haven't had the time to look at it in detail yet, but it looks very good
and I'm sure the new GUI will grow on me in the coming days, just as it
did when I first started out with iPeng.

And also I'm very happy to support your hard work once more for me and
the GF. With Windows or an iPhone we all find it only logical to buy the
new version once it arrives and with iPeng we all had the joy of free
updates for the past 5 years. With most apps I see they mainly get
bugfixes, iPeng has rely evolved in big steps during that time.



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ReValveiT
2013-12-11 14:43:18 UTC
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Bought it last night and left a review.

Love being able to hide menu items and really loving the overall new
look!

Brill as always!

Now, the ability to upload LMS tracks into iPengs player would be the
icing!

:)


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norderney
2013-12-11 17:57:07 UTC
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Just bought your new app iPeng 7. Looks very nice.
Just noticed a problem. When swipping to the left to see all tracks
currently playing. If I press Edit, it gives me the option to delete
individual tracks or delete all tracks. But how do I rearrange the order
of the tracks. Unless I have overlooked something there is no way of
moving tracks up and down the list.
Thanks



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epoch1970
2013-12-11 21:33:25 UTC
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Ach. I posted in the "leak" thread...
It's not leaking at all. It's a pretty solid bundle :)
Everybody should run to its nearest iTunes Store.



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Pascal Hibon
2013-12-11 22:58:43 UTC
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Post by epoch1970
Ach. I posted in the "leak" thread...
Oops, me too...



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DoomWolf
2013-12-12 12:46:53 UTC
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As a very happy iPeng user for several years, I was happy to buy this
new version for my iPad 2 and my wife's new iPad Mini Retina. I've
certainly got more value out of iPeng over the years than the price I
paid for it.

I did spot a small mistake in the Q&A section on
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2013/12/11/introducing-ipeng-7/
On which devices does it run?
iPeng 7 runs on all devices that support iOS 7. Currently that means all
“retina” devices and the iPad 2 and iPad mini (iPhone 4 and newer,
*iPod touch 4th generation and newer*).
iOS 7 is only compatible with the iPod Touch 5th generation, so 4th gen
owners (like me) can't use iPeng 7 on the Touch.


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pippin
2013-12-12 13:30:49 UTC
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Thanks!
Now that you mention it I remember that there recently was an iOS 6
update specifically for it to fix facetime.
What a pity.



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WhaleOil
2013-12-13 22:20:03 UTC
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Hi

Many thanks for this update to iPeng. I really like the new look and
feel and the new features.

In particular I have been hoping for the display of multiple artists for
a long time, so really pleased to see this added feature. However....
(there is always a but isn't there...) as well as multiple artists, the
now playing details at the top of the screen now show multiple artists,
album artist (where different from the artist) and also any information
in the composer field too. I am sure that preferences amongst users will
vary, but I would much prefer just the artist field(s) to be shown.

Is this possible?

Keep up the good work and many thanks again!

WhaleOil


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WhaleOil
2013-12-13 22:39:47 UTC
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Also, if I may add just a couple of other observations on the listing of
multiple artists...

Firstly this only seems to show up in the now playing screen and the now
playing info at the top of the main screen. When browsing albums or
artists, tracks with multiple artists show just one of the artists.
Also in the playlist, just one artist is shown until that particular
track is playing and then it changes to show all artists (and also the
album artist and composer details as noted in my post above).

Many thanks

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pippin
2013-12-13 23:07:22 UTC
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Ahhh. I knew you can't do artists right :)
Post by WhaleOil
Is this possible?
Sure. A lot is possible. Then somebody else will complain :)

I'm sure I can spend a few month developing a fully configurable and
scriptable version that can be adapted to anybody's wishes but will be
so horribly complex that everybody hates it :)

The way it is now is the same way the Logitech App shows artists so
probably what most people expect.
Post by WhaleOil
Firstly this only seems to show up in the now playing screen and the now
playing info at the top of the main screen.
Yes.
Post by WhaleOil
When browsing albums or artists, tracks with multiple artists show just
one of the artists.
Yes, and it's staying that way.

It's a performance issue.
Current playlist is especially bad. Already now it's possible to create
playlists that will never completely load and bring the performance of
both the App and the server pretty much down (although you have to
remove the default limit of 500 tracks in the server settings for
this).
The same is true for albums. A single album might not be a big issue but
if you open something like "Various Artists->All Songs", that's a menu
with some 15.000 tracks for me which has to be fully retrieved and
sorted on the device, downloading it in one minute or in four makes for
quite a difference and the full artist lookup is sloooow. :)
Post by WhaleOil
Also in the playlist, just one artist is shown until that particular
track is playing and then it changes to show all artists (and also the
album artist and composer details as noted in my post above).
Well, yes. Once iPeng has the information it does of course use it.
Also, the current track has scrolling labels in the iPad's playlist
screen saver so it can show it as well....



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Pascal Hibon
2013-12-14 09:08:58 UTC
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Reporting an issue I've seen with iPeng 7 on my iPhone:
This morning I switched from a test LMS to my main LMS. I then selected
a player and started smart mix. Player starts playing but I the playlist
on iPeng shows empty. The rest is functional, I can skip back and
forward without problems.
The same happens with any other music source (select an album, random
mix, playlist, etc) - playlist shows empty.

I then restarted iPeng and it worked again as it should.



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pippin
2013-12-14 11:06:48 UTC
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Yes, it's a known issue. If you switch servers you need to restart the
App for the current playlist to update. Working on it.



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HeadBanger
2013-12-14 11:59:30 UTC
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I purchased this yesterday and really like it. Thanks pippin!



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pippin
2013-12-14 12:02:46 UTC
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Where is the "like" button on this forum when I need it :)



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Pascal Hibon
2013-12-14 13:32:03 UTC
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Post by pippin
Yes, it's a known issue. If you switch servers you need to restart the
App for the current playlist to update. Working on it.
Okay, good to know.
It's not a huge thing though.



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ikruspan
2013-12-14 09:18:12 UTC
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I really like the new look and layout. Love to be able to set the tree.
And to be able to show it as icons only because it looks better and
frees some space in portrait mode that I use most. As Apple would say,
the best Ipeng yet.
Please, Where is the option to show menu tree as icons ??




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ikruspan
2013-12-14 09:13:12 UTC
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Thak you !!! Nice and clean. I like new iPeng very much. On iPad much
much better than old one.




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pippin
2013-12-14 13:35:39 UTC
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And I've got a fix :)
The current playlist never switched servers and the old server obviously
doesn't know the new player....

I wondered whether something like that would break since I migrated some
logic from iPeng UE which always uses several servers in parallel. The
real goal was to be allow registration with MySqueezebox.com without
having to switch servers, it's part of the new help screen that comes up
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WhaleOil
2013-12-15 10:18:51 UTC
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Pippin

Thank you for your reply and your explanation of the reasons why things
are the way they are. All understood.

Many thanks

WhaleOil


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Mnyb
2013-12-15 12:22:35 UTC
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... and now my iPad AIR is here :) bought the app very impresive design
, will decommission the old pad over the holidays



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Grumpy Bob
2013-12-15 20:01:21 UTC
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Love the new UI, a great improvement on the old one!
One odd thing: I'm seeing a bit of confusion with artwork - occasional
albums seem to be associated with the artwork from a different album. I
have the artwork as cover.jpg in the relevant album folder.
Artwork is fine on the LMS web page, on the Touch, on Squeezeplay, on
Squeezepad and on the old version of iPeng (which is still installed).

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Enoch Soames
2013-12-20 16:56:13 UTC
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Hi, Pippin - I very much like iPeng 7; clean look, improved
functionality, definitely worth the money. I'm having a problem,
though: I prefer to hit 'play' to play only a single selected track
rather than get the whole album loaded into the playlist. I checked the
'help' section for info on how to change playback mode, and it tells me
to turn on the 'Play Single Tracks' toggle under 'General Settings.' I
don't find a 'Play Single Tracks' option in 'General Settings,' though.
Sow do I configure iPeng 7 to play just one track? Thanks in advance
for the help.


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pippin
2013-12-20 19:11:54 UTC
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Oh, iPeng now respects the server-side setting for this.
The old option was actually there because in the old days of
SqueezeCenter 7.3, playing single tracks was the default setting but it
really wasn't what most people wanted so iPeng ignored the setting.
Now, I believe since 7.4, the default has changed to "play other tracks
in album" so people who still enable the setting to play single tracks
probably mean it so iPeng simply adheres to the setting.
It's a change I already made, well, years ago....

You find the server-side setting in the web interface under
"Settings->Player Settings->Basic Settings->Play other tracks in album".



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Enoch Soames
2013-12-20 19:20:43 UTC
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That took care of it, Pippin. Thanks for the quick response!


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Thg6276
2013-12-20 22:42:58 UTC
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Pippin, could you have a look on the picture please, but on this screen
because artworks are always missing.
Do not understand why ?
All covers are included in flac files.


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Mnyb
2013-12-21 07:56:57 UTC
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Pippin, could you have a look on the picture please, because on this
screen artworks are always missing.
Do not understand why ?
All covers are included in flac files.
I see that to ( reported earlier ) on every album



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Webkemmi
2013-12-21 18:55:00 UTC
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As a great fan of iPeng, I must say that I prefer the older version due
to a much better graphic performance on my iPad mini first gen. Even on
my iPad Air, the older version runs more powerful with less artwork
problems. I also have the problem with missing artwork and sometimes,
the list is completely empty when choosing Artists - All Albums.
Additionally It seems as if iPeng 7 reloads artwork more often. After
creating the cached artwork, I can browse my albums with all covers but
after restarting iPeng, it shoes placeholder covers first before
reloading the cover art. I am using LMS 7.8 latest nightly running on an
Intel core i3 (ivy bridge) and Windows Server 2012 R2 essentials with 8
GB RAM. LMS has been set to higher CPU priority and optimized for more
than 1 GB RAM. The system is connected via Gigabit LAN interface to the
latest Asus RT-AC68U AC WLAN Router.
As I said, iPeng HD runs perfectly on my iPad mini first gen and even on
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pippin
2013-12-21 20:14:33 UTC
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Well, as I said before, it's fundamentally a combination of a worse
scheduling behavior under the iOS 7 runtime, additional processing
requirements for the blur effects and the additional row of icons being
displayed if you expand the view.

With scheduling being the biggest issue. Even the iOS 6 runtime running
under iOS 7 performs much better.

As far as I can see, scrolling and artwork loading (either over the
network or from the disc cache) get into the way of each other. I
suspect that the UI (scrolling) isn't prioritized as highly as under iOS
6 but that's just a guess.
But what I see is that if I run the same artwork handling I used in
iPeng HD under the iOS 7 runtime, the artwork loads fast but often
renders too slowly so the scrolling can stutter or even hang, it's
really unresponsive.
The was how the 7.0 behaved.
I fixed it by moving more of the artwork handling in the background
(even with that, scrolling is _still_ sometimes not as smooth on the new
devices unless you turn off system blur by using the "increase contrast"
setting). But that means that anything else that happens in iPeng can
get in the way of artwork loading so any artwork not already in RAM will
show more slowly.
I'll try to tweak it a bit more for the next update but I don't believe
I will be fully able to solve it unless Apple changes something in the
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Does it help to flush the cache?



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2013-12-16 02:38:17 UTC
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Love the new UI, a great improvement on the old one!
One odd thing: I'm seeing a bit of confusion with artwork - occasional
albums seem to be associated with the artwork from a different album. I
have the artwork as cover.jpg in the relevant album folder.
Does it help to flush the cache?
I had the same issue. Flushing cache did not help. I shut down the
app, restarted, and all was perfect again.
I can't reproduce the issue.


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I had the same issue. Flushing cache did not help. I shut down the
app, restarted, and all was perfect again.
I can't reproduce the issue.
I flushed the cache several times, restarted a couple of times. Didn't
help, though the albums with confused artwork changed slightly.

I've just reflushed the cache and restarted. Looks like the artwork is
correct now. Very mysterious!

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I haven't been able to reproduce this so far.
However... Since I posted the 7.0 version I have made quite a number of
changes to the artwork handling. They were mainly done for performance
reasons but might potentially fix this issue, too, some of the issues
affecting performance could have an effect on the correct caching as
well.

The 7.0.1 version is waiting for approval since yesterday, let's hope it
makes it before the holiday shutdown.



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The 7.0.1 version is waiting for approval since yesterday, let's hope it
makes it before the holiday shutdown.
Great app with great support!
I think your app is way too cheap for the service you provide us!



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Great app with great support!
I think your app is way too cheap for the service you provide us!
:)
Well, then let's all remember what else you can do for iPeng 7 by rating
it ;)



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2013-12-16 12:36:58 UTC
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:)
Well, then let's all remember what else you can do for iPeng 7 by rating
it ;)
good point. we forget that not everyone hangs out here. I just added a
review at the itunes store.



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:)
Well, then let's all remember what else you can do for iPeng 7 by rating
it ;)
Done!



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2013-12-16 13:29:24 UTC
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Thank you :)



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2013-12-16 13:37:35 UTC
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:)
Well, then let's all remember what else you can do for iPeng 7 by rating
it ;)
Also done on my side. Thanks for this new version. It's great to see
that the Squeezebox world is pretty well alive!



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2013-12-17 02:22:38 UTC
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Pippin, thanks for the update!

One thing that I can't figure out and I miss - when my phone is locked
(iPhone 5s, ios 7-whatever-is-current) the album art and player controls
no longer appear on the lock screen. I don't remember ever having to
specifically turn this on previously, nor can I figure it out now if it
is indeed a setting. The older versions worked fine on this same phone
and OS. What am I missing?

Thanks! One of my favorite and most-used iphone apps that I've now
bought repeatedly. :-)


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pippin
2013-12-17 03:16:42 UTC
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That was an option and iPeng 7 currently does indeed not have it.
What the App needs to do to enable this is to stay running in the
background which generally is a big "no-no" in Apple's App Store rules.
They have never complained about it in the old iPeng and it's indeed a
bit of an edge case because iPeng is an audio App and Audio Apps are
allowed to run in the background but I didn't want to take a chance with
the first releases when they are still more critical.

It's still in the App (and works if you are playing on the device
itself) and I plan to try to bring it back with one of the next updates
(but definitely not the very next one). But no guarantees given, it's
something Apple can pull anytime, even for the old Apps.



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I must applaud the dark mode :) i like that .



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2013-12-17 08:20:03 UTC
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I'm on dark mode too for both phone and pad. Much easier on the eye!



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2013-12-17 12:07:00 UTC
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I like the dark look, too.

I have a question to all users and to pippin (I also asked him in an
email):

Mrs Datja wants an Airplay speaker for Christmas present, to use via LMS
-> iPad w iPeng 7 playback. (She wants a new stereo with LMS connection
in a new room, and SB being discontinued, I felt that using one of our
existing iPad/iPengs would be smartest.) Will this work in a
wife-friendly manner. Does anybody know?

Will streaming sound from the LMS youtube plugin (provided that it works
[not at present]) through Airplay to the speakers work?

We don't have Apple TV -- is that needed?

I wish that pippin adopted the youtube plugin -- that is my only
suggestion.


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I like the dark look, too.
I have a question to all users and to pippin (I also asked him in an
Mrs Datja wants an Airplay speaker for Christmas present, to use via LMS
-> iPad w iPeng 7 playback. (She wants a new stereo with LMS connection
in a new room, and SB being discontinued, I felt that using one of our
existing iPad/iPengs would be smartest.) Will this work in a
wife-friendly manner. Does anybody know?
Will streaming sound from the LMS youtube plugin (provided that it works
[not at present]) through Airplay to the speakers work?
We don't have Apple TV or Airport Express -- is either of those
necessary?
I wish that pippin adopted the youtube plugin -- that is my only
suggestion.
does airplay work at all with LMS? Why not just have any sort of
powered speaker system connected to a dock, and use ipeng and player
function sitting in the dock to mimic a squeezebox player? Why the need
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2013-12-17 13:01:55 UTC
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Thank you but that was not what my wife wanted. Docking is so 00s ;) -
for example one can't use the iPad for other stuff when docked. I have
to order these speakers today for Christmas to be Merry.


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2013-12-17 13:04:37 UTC
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Thank you but that was not what my wife wanted. Docking is so 00s ;) -
for example one can't use the iPad for other stuff when docked. I have
to order these speakers today for Christmas to be Merry.
OK. But as I noted, I'm not sure airplay works with LMS. Someone else
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2013-12-17 14:13:44 UTC
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Well it's not LMS itself that'd use airplay but ipeng playback to
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Well it's not LMS itself that'd use airplay but ipeng playback to
airplay receiver.
Are you saying that the above does work? Or are you asking whether that
will work?



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pippin
2013-12-17 14:51:16 UTC
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OK, I've answered your mail with a bit more detail but let'S do the
short version here, too, to avoid confusion:

AirPlay does of course not work directly with LMS but it DOES work just
fine with iPeng's playback. Under iOS 7 some people have even been
successful in using synchronization although that's still clearly not as
good as with a Squeezebox or an iThingy wired to the speakers. Although
that could also have been caused by the downstream audio chain on my
AppleTV, I have to experiment a bit more with this.

The limitations of AirPlay are in the way AirPlay works: you only get
44.1/16, everything else will play but get re-sampled by iOS.
And iPeng has to run for the Audio to play. On an iPad that's probably
feasible due to the large battery and the large RAM.

Still... if you've got a spare iThingy I'd dock it and use it as a
dedicated player. Makes for a nice, permanent NowPlaying screen and
definitely syncs well (if it's at least a 3rd generation device).



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Mnyb
2013-12-18 05:42:53 UTC
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Eh just tried it on my phone , feeling somewhat stupid .

How do you get away from the multiplayer menu to say any other menu ?
I'm stuck there ? No buttons no arrows no gestures ?

Edit:
Ok a restart cured it , all controlls at the bottom off the screen where
missing :confused:

They returned after the restart , wonder if I ever can reproduce this
one , it was on the first start ever of the app ?



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Eh just tried it on my phone , feeling somewhat stupid .
How do you get away from the multiplayer menu to say any other menu ?
I'm stuck there ? No buttons no arrows no gestures ?
Ok a restart cured it , all controlls at the bottom off the screen where
They returned after the restart , wonder if I ever can reproduce this
one , it was on the first start ever of the app ?
iPhone 4 or 4S?
Yes, it's a known issue and yes, it (hopefully) won't come back, it has
to do with the modal dialog at start.



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Pascal Hibon
2013-12-18 06:21:21 UTC
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Well it's not LMS itself that'd use airplay but ipeng playback to
airplay receiver.
Alternatively, you could use Bluetooth speakers connected to your
iThing.
For travel I use UE Boombox speakers with my iPhone. Works great and no
need for Airplay.


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Alternatively, you could use Bluetooth speakers connected to your
iThing.
For travel I use UE Boombox speakers with my iPhone. Works great and no
need for Airplay.
http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/08/28/Logitech_portablespeaker_35419329_01_620x433.jpg]
If this is for an iPad, make sure you have at least an iPad 3 (wifi + bt
doesn't work well together on an iPad 2).
Bluetooth speakers are OK for travel but the sound quality really isn't
that good. Compared to Bluetooth's lossy codecs, mp3 is an audiophile
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2013-12-18 08:22:15 UTC
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Bluetooth speakers are OK for travel but the sound quality really isn't
that good. Compared to Bluetooth's lossy codecs, mp3 is an audiophile
compression standard....
True, bt audio is not lossless but I don't think the OP is looking for
such a system. The OP was talking about "Airplay speakers" and not a
high end system. And while bt audio is not lossless these speakers
provide very good audio quality (even for such small speakers). There
are even bigger bt speakers available who sound even better.



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He was looking into some quite decent AirPlay speakers in the mail he
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2013-12-18 08:47:37 UTC
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iPhone 4 or 4S?
Yes, it's a known issue and yes, it (hopefully) won't come back, it has
to do with the modal dialog at start.
iPhone 4 , and it has worked from now on .



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pippin
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iPeng 7 has now seen it's first update on the App Store, to version
7.0.1

Changes include

- Improved scrolling performance, especially the worst-case
performance should now be much better.
- Improved artwork handling in general
- Fixed a crash on startup with PlayReal plugin in some server
setups
- A number of new icons for CustomBrowse menus
- And a few general bug fixes.


Have fun!



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paulster
2013-12-19 06:22:13 UTC
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Just put 7.0.1 on my iPhone and iPad. The iPad is showing the new icons
for Custom Browse, which are much nicer, but the iPhone is using the old
ones still. More worryingly, neither device is loading the artwork
thumbnails now when accessing the albums views (albums or new albums)
via Custom Browse, which is the only way I get to mine since I use
MultiLibrary.

This was working before, albeit with the couple of artwork items muddled
up that we'd discussed.

The web interface is working properly so I think my LMS server is
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2013-12-19 11:50:13 UTC
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iPeng 7 is now less aggressive on enforcing artwork load because that
was what caused the lag before.
Since CustomBrowse menus load artwork through a different path than the
"normal" albums menus it might be that they don't automatically trigger
the first download when no album art has been loaded, yet, I have to
check that. Does it help if you go to any of the "native" menus and back
to the Custom Browse menu?



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garym
2013-12-19 12:27:44 UTC
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Does the ipeng playback feature automatically transfer to the new
release. If not, how do you incorporate this feature into V7.01?
Thanks for the hard work.
mine did on my ipad without me having to do anything other than install
the new ipeng7



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2013-12-19 12:54:04 UTC
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Post by garym
mine did on my ipad without me having to do anything other than install
the new ipeng7
+1

Yes and on my iPhone too !



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bassoonde
2013-12-19 13:12:44 UTC
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I just saw the new version of ipeng 7. Also I missed the reduced price
for the first week.
So I would like to ask. Is there a chance to get the reduced price
again? Maybe during the christmas days.
Chris



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local.bin
2013-12-19 13:29:16 UTC
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Purchased a day or so late for the intro price :( and no local playback
from downloaded files from the server.

Had hoped it would get added at some stage, but happy to support you, as
your updates are regular, but seems cosmetic updates from what I can see
at the moment.

Did I also miss an announcement of the intro pricing? as that would have
been nice to receive by email for all existing users? Would have
expected existing users for some years to get the first option to
upgrade at a better price.

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2013-12-19 12:26:53 UTC
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Does the ipeng playback feature automatically transfer to the new
release. If not, how do you incorporate this feature into V7.01?
Thanks for the hard work.



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paulster
2013-12-20 07:54:10 UTC
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Post by pippin
iPeng 7 is now less aggressive on enforcing artwork load because that
was what caused the lag before.
Since CustomBrowse menus load artwork through a different path than the
"normal" albums menus it might be that they don't automatically trigger
the first download when no album art has been loaded, yet, I have to
check that. Does it help if you go to any of the "native" menus and back
to the Custom Browse menu?
It may have been what helped the first time. The trouble is I have the
standard menus removed so it's not easy to force the issue. And the
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pippin
2013-12-19 14:33:27 UTC
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Since we never require any registration we simply don't have e-mail of
existing customers.
We did announce it on the web site, in this forum and some other forums
as well as on the iPeng Facebook page.



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garym
2013-12-19 15:58:00 UTC
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Since we never require any registration we simply don't have e-mail of
existing customers.
We did announce it on the web site, in this forum and some other forums
as well as on the iPeng Facebook page.
You did all you could do, and it was nice of you to have a reduced price
for any time at all. Frankly, I'd easily pay 5 times as much for any of
your products. They are very good, do what they are supposed to do, and
the service, response, and updates are tremendous. Happy Holidays!



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2013-12-19 17:14:21 UTC
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Post by garym
You did all you could do, and it was nice of you to have a reduced price
for any time at all. Frankly, I'd easily pay 5 times as much for any of
your products. They are very good, do what they are supposed to do, and
the service, response, and updates are tremendous. Happy Holidays!
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2013-12-20 09:58:45 UTC
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Since we never require any registration we simply don't have e-mail of
existing customers.
We did announce it on the web site, in this forum and some other forums
as well as on the iPeng Facebook page.
Oh I thought you had the purchase details of people using iOS.

I must follow you on twitter or sign up to your news on your site then I
guess.

To all the +1er's glad you got the update.

Keep up the good work on the app.


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2013-12-19 17:47:22 UTC
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If I ever get mad and open a consultancy then Pippin's first rule of
marketing will be: unless you are competing on price alone: don't do
promotions, they just create bad mood. It's been my experience with all
of them I've done so far.

It was already the case with the discount for iPeng playback. Some
people would go to great length to get that and if it didn't work for
some reason (Wong account, old device,...) they would spend hours to
make it work and really get frustrated. And I couldn't even help because
there's no such thing as vouchers for IAP, I could just offer to give
them their money back, but in most cases that wasn't hat they wanted,
they wanted to get the discount.
It was a bad idea. It's one of the reasons why I'm happy that iPeng 7 is
a universal App, even though that will probably cut my long-term revenue
in half, but in the same long term, things will get more simple....



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Thg6276
2013-12-19 18:15:37 UTC
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Bonjour Pippin,

It is the third time that I buy iPeng (Ipod / Ipad and now for IOS7) but
still the same quality of product !

Thanks for your hard work

Only one thing to note, this year our penguin has not his red christmas
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Mnyb
2013-12-19 18:54:46 UTC
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Oh i had not noticed ,the price tag was unusually low :) :) (
investigating the receipt ) .

Was it really rigth that I got iPeng 7 on two devices and playback on
two devices for the price .

Good app's for the squeezebox system are not exactly plentifull , get
them while they last .

I was bored last Friday and opened a bottle of wine it resulted in music
from bandcamp for more than this app costed .

IPeng/(My bought music collection + my current hifi setup) =~ 100-50 ppm
.

Does promotions for this app really serves a purpose , there is not much
of alternative products and every long time user eventually comes around
when they get iOS7 .

In other product categories , I whished apple just pruned the "me too +
ads" products a bit.
I just need 10-50 good ones to pick from some full price some with add
financing not, 8000 meh products :)



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bassoonde
2013-12-19 19:09:38 UTC
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I don't want to insist on a discount. I heard today about a new version
and also read about a discount. I didn't want to start a discussion
about this.
Ipeng is worth this price and I will order it now. So it's Time to stop
about this and talk about new features for Ipeng.



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Oh I forget. A red hat would be nice again. 😍



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Mnyb
2013-12-19 19:22:26 UTC
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I don't mind the Xmas penguin :) but it forces pippin to come out with
an update very soon after the holidays it gets old quickly .

But I've sot of got used to him too .

Some nifty design that actually modifies the icon depending on time of
the year...



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Features , I really like that you can "expand" the rigth hand pane when
browsing albums or anything to get more images visible.



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2013-12-19 20:20:53 UTC
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No, I deeply regret not being able to do the XMas Coolio.
But I wasn't completely sure the 7.0.1 update would make it to the store
in time and bringing the Santa hat out on, say, Jan 1st would have been
extremely lame.
And I'm not brave enough to do it for the old iPeng again. There, I get
a warning with every upload that I'm using an old binary format which I
do to support 2nd generation devices. Apple can enforce the new format
any time as they did for the 4"-support last spring and then users of
old devices would keep the Santa hat forever.



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2013-12-19 23:09:14 UTC
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The new version is nice. How do you turn all devices on or off at the
same time? Thanks.



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Like before. Hold the power button.



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2013-12-19 23:22:18 UTC
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Thank you and is it possible to have a volume control on the
playlist-listing page?



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2013-12-20 00:27:56 UTC
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Phone version :

New music behave strange it flickers with the artwork every time you
enter the list ?

At album track level where you see single tracks there is never any
album artwork ,just the placeholder picture.



This section below is with the small artwork view, it behaves different
with large artwork .

Suggestion , play modes at album list levels too .
Now tapping an album just plays it ,yes i know I can hold in the space
beside and get the menu , where I can chose action.

Holding the album art ? Should it not either show the menu with choices
off add play or add-to ,or add to end or something.
Now it just delays the start of that album ? Works just like tapping it
when I release the finger .
However it is a nice touch that if keep holding and place another finger
on the side and release the first finger I cancel the action .

Is it really obvius that pressing the penguin icon gives you " now
playing " :) he he

General:

I see some " smart mix " issues I'll investigate more before pinning it
on iPeng it could most likly be smartmix or defeat the destructive touch
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iPhone? No. Compromises...



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2013-12-20 00:20:50 UTC
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I like this 7.01version. Thanks for it.
Any "preserve connection" setting.



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Any "preserve connection" setting.
That hopefully will come back eventually.
However... Strictly speaking that feature is pretty high on Apple's
"forbidden" list which is why I didn't try to enable it in the first few
versions. Will try again early next year, it's still in there,...



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Yea, I'll look into it.



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2013-12-20 10:01:58 UTC
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As a long term user of iPeng for iPad (and occasionally on iPhone) I was
used to occasional crashes on my iPad 2 handling a large collection.
Unfortunately the crashes with iPeng 7 are as frequently as they were
before.
Most annoying thing is that iPeng frequently updates it's database
without any changes on LMS (and without prior crashing). (BTW while
updating album covers flicker in Album view).
Is there anything I could do on my side to make things better?


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Oh I thought you had the purchase details of people using iOS.
Oh no. Only Apple has that. I don't even have detailed transaction data
or the like.

It's a common misconception. Some people ask questions in App Reviews on
the App Store not knowing that the developers have no chance to contact
them to reply.
Post by local.bin
I must follow you on twitter or sign up to your news on your site then I
guess.
Signing up for news on the site won't help either. It's WordPress and
WordPress gets waaaay too much spam registrations to be usable as a
resource, these registrations are only there to be able to block spam.

Twitter is a good information source, facebook or this forum usually are
the best ones.
I do pre-announcements (before release) only here because anything else
would have a kind of official character and you can't really tell
anything official unless Apple has approved your App since you never
know...

For anything officially out in the wild, facebook is the first resource
that gets updated.
Post by local.bin
As a long term user of iPeng for iPad (and occasionally on iPhone) I was
used to occasional crashes on my iPad 2 handling a large collection.
Especially under iOS 7, do you have _any_ App that doesn't crash
occasionally? Since they use the new processor I even got used to
occasional and spontaneous device reboots. And no, even though blogs
write about "Apps not being adapted to 64-bit" I'm pretty sure that's
not the problem at hand, I'm pretty sure the 64bit runtime isn't
completely stable, yet.

And the number of bugs I filed on iOS 7....
Post by local.bin
Most annoying thing is that iPeng frequently updates it's database
without any changes on LMS (and without prior crashing).
You mean it does that while running? Spontaneously? Without you
switching the server?
Are you positively sure the server doesn't hang in some kind of scanning
loop?
Post by local.bin
(BTW while updating album covers flicker in Album view).
Is there anything I could do on my side to make things better?
This sounds like the albums list never got completely loaded (actually
the "re-load" issue looks like that as well). Does the progress bar for
library sync ever go away?

The flickering is because I now always load artwork in the background
when it could take too long. The alternative of always enforcing the
loading was what caused the very poor scrolling performance on some
devices with 7.0.
Generally, scheduling is a bit worse under iOS 7, probably because all
the default UI handling consumes so much processing power (it helps a
bit to set "Settings->General->Accessibility->Increase Contrast" to ON),
iOS 7's UI is really a resource hog, especially all of the blurring
bars.
So what can happen when you scroll a lot (if you keep scrolling
permanently for more than 30s, I believe) is that iPeng can lose the
connection to the server and then has to re-establish it. This was an
issue with iOS 6, too, but it got worse in iOS 7.
But this should only reload a single page of data from the server, not
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michel
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You mean it does that while running? Spontaneously? Without you
switching the server?
Are you positively sure the server doesn't hang in some kind of scanning
loop?
This sounds like the albums list never got completely loaded (actually
the "re-load" issue looks like that as well). Does the progress bar for
library sync ever go away?
The flickering is because I now always load artwork in the background
when it could take too long. The alternative of always enforcing the
loading was what caused the very poor scrolling performance on some
devices with 7.0.
Generally, scheduling is a bit worse under iOS 7, probably because all
the default UI handling consumes so much processing power (it helps a
bit to set "Settings->General->Accessibility->Increase Contrast" to ON),
iOS 7's UI is really a resource hog, especially all of the blurring
bars.
So what can happen when you scroll a lot (if you keep scrolling
permanently for more than 30s, I believe) is that iPeng can lose the
connection to the server and then has to re-establish it. This was an
issue with iOS 6, too, but it got worse in iOS 7.
But this should only reload a single page of data from the server, not
the whole library.
LMS definitely has finished scanning without a reporting problems.
I am using latest nightly of 7.8 on Win 7.
The progress bar goes away after around 2 minutes and yes library
scanning starts randomly while in use or after waking up iPad from
sleep.
Had the same behavior under iOS 6x and LMS 7.7 .


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Pleas try to fully restart (not delete! Just restart) the App.
If it stays that way: which server version do you use?



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CharlieG
2013-12-20 23:03:26 UTC
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Pippin, could you have a look on the picture please, because on this
screen artworks are always missing.
Do not understand why ?
All covers are included in flac files.
Pleas try to fully restart (not delete! Just restart) the App.
If it stays that way: which server version do you use?
Pippin
I have the same issue. I think it started with the latest upgrade.
I'm running 7.7.2.
It happens at all lower level album views. The artwork is present at
higher level views (if I select artist Tracy Chapman I see the album art
for all albums. If I tap one of the albums I don't see the album art).
I'm pretty sure? this worked before the upgrade.
I flushed cache, didn't help, restarted the app, also didn't help.


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pippin
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I believe this happens if the artwork is present when the related albums
view is displayed but gets purged from the memory cache before the lower
level album menu gets loaded.
It's especially problematic if the artwork loader queue is stuck or very
busy in which case it can time out and never really show up.
This is why flushing the cache is very wrong (because then all artwork
gets purged even from the flash cache and will take even longer to
recreate) and why I recommended restarting the App (which makes sure
there's no artwork being loaded).

It probably happens more often in the latest update because iPeng 7.0.1
loads artwork primarily in the background to speed up scrolling. It's
usually especially bad if artwork still needs to be created on the
server side or at least loaded from the server because that will keep
the artwork queue more busy.

I'll see whether I can do some better optimizations in the next release
but it's generally a tricky tradeoff between performance, server load
generation and assured artwork access.
The problem is, the only way to guarantee artwork availability without
any cost is to use the 50x50 images the server will always have
available but they are, well, about the size of iPeng's power button on
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Artwork and performance is hard. There are some common recommendations
on how you can really improve artwork access speed on iOS but they are
not really applicable here because iPeng is handling waaay to much
artwork. I figured doing memory mapped disc caching (the most performant
recommendation) would block some 1GB of flash for an average library
with 3,000 albums. Go figure what that means for a 10,000 album library.
Right: it won't work at all, at least on a 32 bit device...
So this doesn't work.

Newer iPads can easily hold a few hundred albums in memory (the typical
size of in-memory cache use I'm seeing on my new iPad mini is around
300MB; the cache size is managed by the OS) but that's only true if no
other Apps consume a lot of memory in the background and even these can
get purged quickly if you scroll a lot.
And loading even an artwork that is cached on the device is something
that can be too slow to fill a screenful of images (16-40) in time for
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This is why flushing the cache is very wrong (because then all artwork
gets purged even from the flash cache and will take even longer to
recreate) and why I recommended restarting the App.
Thought I would give you an update: I left the house for a while and
when I got back it was working fine. Forgot to say earlier I am using
an iPhone 5s and an iPad Air. iPeng is working fine on both now.


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2013-12-21 07:39:49 UTC
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I'm running with 7.7.2 on a Synology.
I have restarted the app and it seems ok now.
At the top it was mentionned : Synchronizing Cache
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Hi Pippin,
Ipeng 7 is awesome. How do you get it to display those cool artist
images?

Thanks,

Mike


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Just install the "Music & Artist Information" plugin. You can do that in
the server's web interface under "Settings->Plugins". You might have to
enable "3rd Party Plugins" on that page.



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2013-12-22 12:08:47 UTC
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I just upgraded from iPeng HD to iPeng 7 on my iPad Air. It looks much
cleaner, I never did much care for the look of the HD version,
especially the photo's during startup. I am glad they are gone. However
even on my iPad AIR the app is not running smoothly. It stutters all
over. The HD version (on Ios7) is much smoother and the stutters take
away from the otherwise cleaner user experience. It is not only the
artwork, as the simple text based lists are not smooth as well.
Hopefully you can fix these small issues.

Also; I was a bit annoyed to find out about the existence of iPeng 7
because of the update of iPeng HD mentioning it, and then to find out I
missed the introduction discount by one or two days. You really should
over think these kind of actions and how your customers will perceive
it. It is not just about the 3 or so euro's.

Kind regards,

Edwin


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It is not only the artwork, as the simple text based lists are not
smooth as well. Hopefully you can fix these small issues.
Well, see above. It's hard.
The text lists are something I can fix if I do away with the
semi-transparent section headers (or you can do away with it by turning
on "Settings->General->Accessibility->Increase contrast" which doesn't
increase contrast at all, quite to the contrary, but turns off system
blur). I'll probably do that in the next version.
Also; I was a bit annoyed to find out about the existence of iPeng 7
because of the update of iPeng HD mentioning it, and then to find out I
missed the introduction discount by one or two days. You really should
over think these kind of actions and how your customers will perceive
it. It is not just about the 3 or so euro's.
Well, one of the ideas behind _these_ kind of promotions is that I want
people to follow iPeng. Either be regularly coming to this forum (where
you could have learned about iPeng 7 even a week before the promotion
even started) or by following the facebook page.
The reason I want this is that this helps me as well. One problem with
Apps is that you have not regular way to contact your users. Even the
popup you saw in the App now can theoretically only show up a month from
now or so for the first time. The App store gives you no way short of
push notifications to contact customers.
And that's a problem not only for new App announcements but even more so
in case of issues like incompatibilities with upgrades of any kind and
the like.
So I really want to motivate people to stay in contact, that's the main
reason for the initial promotion, I don't otherwise like promotions at
all because, as you say, they will always make some people feel bad.



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2013-12-22 13:42:15 UTC
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Thanks for the revised app.

I have been using Squeezebox Server 7.5.4 for a very long time and have
been reluctant to add any plugins or upgrade because past attempts
messed up a very reliable setup. I am ready to tinker around again.
What would be the best server version to install and which plugins
significantly improve the iPeng experience? The same files and playlists
are also utilized by Subsonic to stream outside the local network.

My FLAC's are tagged with multiple values in Artist, Composer, Genre,
mood & occasion fields. The rating field is used along with a custom
Album Rating field. Lyrics are slowly building up in the tags via
Mediamonkey. Images are only saved as Folder.jpg and not embedded, about
1400 pixel wide, compressed to about 300kb (for PC). At present neither
iIPeng nor Subsonic are able to utilize all the tags. My solution for
now has been to auto-generate playlists using Mediamonkey.

This setup works quite well. It really is a case of fixing something
that is not broken. Help me fix it anyway ;-)


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