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[slim] Let's here some suggestions for SlimServer 7
JJZolx
2006-08-30 17:05:58 UTC
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Since 6.5 is pretty much in the bag, what do you want in SlimServer 7?

Me? I feel that the two biggest omissions in SlimServer currently are
the lack of

- multiple music libraries

- individual user customization
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funkstar
2006-08-30 18:22:56 UTC
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Multiple libraries would solve the Singles problem for me, so thats a
good one.

Obviously there are the existing tickets, like the network clock for
player syncing that is important.

That pretty much does it for me, can't think of anything else that is
dependant on SS to make it perfect for me :)

I would like a plugin for MediaPortal to use SlimServers library
instead of the current MyMusic in MP, but thats not SDs problem. I
might need to have a bash at .NET in the not too distant future....
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dangerous_dom
2006-08-30 18:37:15 UTC
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Support for some kind(s) of DRM, so that we can -legally- download
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kdf
2006-08-30 18:59:41 UTC
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Post by dangerous_dom
Support for some kind(s) of DRM, so that we can -legally- download
music.
rhapsody is DRM.
drm issues are more to do with the providers than the clients.
-k
Phil Meyer
2006-08-30 21:32:08 UTC
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Post by kdf
rhapsody is DRM.
It's also USA-only!

Phil
kdf
2006-08-30 21:36:15 UTC
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Post by Phil Meyer
Post by kdf
rhapsody is DRM.
It's also USA-only!
yup, well aware of that one.
digital rights doesn't mean everywhere.
it means you have to do what the provider says, if they even let you
have a chance.
-k
Grumpy_Git
2006-08-30 21:40:39 UTC
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For DRM Music i suggest everyone checks out the proposed spiralfrog
website.

http:\\www.spiralfrog.com

Nick.

PS: No affiliation (I wish!)
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autopilot
2006-08-30 22:49:12 UTC
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Post by kdf
Post by dangerous_dom
Support for some kind(s) of DRM, so that we can -legally- download
music.
rhapsody is DRM.
drm issues are more to do with the providers than the clients.
-k
Indeed, and i would be great if i could get it here in the UK. I meen
stuff like Download sites which use Playforsure etc.
Post by kdf
DRM has nothing to do with the legality of music downloads.. but that's
another issue entirely! ;-)
Quite, but if i want to download the latest Coldplay album, or
whatever, i can't download a DRM-Free version and thus i cant play it
on my squeezebox. I guess i will be forced (by the record industry) to
stick with AllofMP3.com for my downloads now.

Though TBH, im not really that bothered. Until download sites offer
proper bitrates and prices significantly lower than CD's, DRM is the
least important thing. i was just making a suggestion - its hard to
think of any new features, Slimserver is fantastic.
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kdf
2006-08-30 23:11:05 UTC
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all good points on the DRM issue. Let's consider that DRM and
expansion of radio support, file types, etc
are all a work in progress.

In the interest of supporting the original post, it might be best to
leave drm discussion for now.

-kdf
autopilot
2006-08-31 07:39:24 UTC
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Post by kdf
In the interest of supporting the original post, it might be best to
leave drm discussion for now.
-kdf
Agreed.

Ok, how about improved singles handling?

For example, if there is a 'Single' tag (or an extended tag to indicate
to Slimserver that it's a single), There could be a catagory in
slimserver for Singles (alongside Album, Artist, Genre, etc). A single
search could be added to the SB's menu also.

I know this is an issue for some people, and i know there are
workarounds (like using "Single" as the album tag), but it would be a
nice feature and help avoid cluttering the Album list (or an entry
called 'no album' if people dont use an album tag).
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Robin Bowes
2006-08-31 10:41:32 UTC
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Post by autopilot
Post by kdf
In the interest of supporting the original post, it might be best to
leave drm discussion for now.
-kdf
Agreed.
Ok, how about improved singles handling?
For example, if there is a 'Single' tag (or an extended tag to indicate
to Slimserver that it's a single), There could be a catagory in
slimserver for Singles (alongside Album, Artist, Genre, etc). A single
search could be added to the SB's menu also.
I know this is an issue for some people, and i know there are
workarounds (like using "Single" as the album tag), but it would be a
nice feature and help avoid cluttering the Album list (or an entry
called 'no album' if people dont use an album tag).
ID3v2 has TMED, which is "Media Type".

Vorbis comments have "SOURCEMEDIA"

If files are tagged with these fields then Slimserver could use them to
sort/filter/structure like any other field.

R.
Marc Sherman
2006-08-31 11:56:26 UTC
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Post by Robin Bowes
ID3v2 has TMED, which is "Media Type".
Vorbis comments have "SOURCEMEDIA"
If files are tagged with these fields then Slimserver could use them to
sort/filter/structure like any other field.
Interesting. I have a vague dissatisfaction with the way I currently
deal with bonus tracks on CDs (like all the demo versions at the ends of
the Ryko reissues of David Bowie and Elvis Costello records). I want to
keep them in my collection, because sometimes they're interesting, but
when I'm listening to an album, I rarely want to hear them. So what I do
is I tag them with a different album tag (adding " (Bonus)" to the end
of the album name), and add a Bonus genre tag.

It'd be nice to be able to have those bonus tracks tucked away somewhere
even more discretely than they currently are in the browse tree.

- Marc
Uwe1966
2006-08-31 13:01:33 UTC
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i'd like to have:

-add and delete new music without scannint the whole library

-more than one folder with mp3 in one library

-various librarys

-login to system with configurable userrights like:
-play music on player "abc..." and "def..."
-configure server
-configute client
-download music
-can use library "abc.." and "def.."
-login from ip other than "xxx.xxx.*" necessary

-change TAGs
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dSw
2006-08-30 20:52:21 UTC
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Post by dangerous_dom
Support for some kind(s) of DRM, so that we can -legally- download
music.
DRM has nothing to do with the legality of music downloads.. but that's
another issue entirely! ;-)
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Millwood
2006-08-30 21:31:53 UTC
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Better integration of he Alien BBC use of mplayer so that albums ripped
in rm format could be played conveniently.

Pause/restart using mplayer that worked as best it could even after a
delay, say be remmebering the position and trying to reposition. This
is currently an issue with the BBC archived stuff and would be for rm
on disk if the above got done.
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Pale Blue Ego
2006-08-31 01:01:18 UTC
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Post by dangerous_dom
Support for some kind(s) of DRM, so that we can -legally- download
music.
There's nothing stopping you from using DRM music on the Squeezebox.
Burn your DRM downloads to an audio CD (you should do this anyway as a
backup), then rip them to a lossless format like FLAC.

Bingo - you have full use of the - legal - download forever.
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radish
2006-08-31 01:19:40 UTC
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Post by Pale Blue Ego
There's nothing stopping you from using DRM music on the Squeezebox.
Burn your DRM downloads to an audio CD (you should do this anyway as a
backup), then rip them to a lossless format like FLAC.
Bingo - you have full use of the - legal - download forever.
Sure, but that takes a lot of time and disk space (you end up with FLAC
files with the quality of AAC or whatever). It's also not always
possible - not all DRM is made equal and not all allows burning.
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gingerneil
2006-08-31 03:23:18 UTC
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Post by Pale Blue Ego
There's nothing stopping you from using DRM music on the Squeezebox.
Burn your DRM downloads to an audio CD (you should do this anyway as a
backup), then rip them to a lossless format like FLAC.
Bingo - you have full use of the - legal - download forever.
No you dont. Generally, changing the format of the recording (ie from
mp3 to flac) is illegal. Once you have the file, its not your's to do
wht you want with.. you just have the right to use it / play it
according to the agreement you have entered in to....
Anyway, we digress !
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bossanova808
2006-08-31 06:59:06 UTC
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Anpther vote for smart playlists - can't believe this isn't here yet,
it's such an obviously cool feature that people love on other
platforms...

Also, ability on the Squeezebox to nominate, with order of preference,
which slimserver install to connect to depending on which are available
- allowing for a NAS + computer when it's on auto switching tasty
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Jack Coates
2006-08-31 15:41:07 UTC
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On 8/30/06, bossanova808 <
Post by bossanova808
Anpther vote for smart playlists - can't believe this isn't here yet,
it's such an obviously cool feature that people love on other
platforms...
I agree -- I'd like to see a suggestion mode, and one smart enough to talk
with Last.FM / Pandora would be very cool indeed. I suppose that would
basically mean blessing the Last.FM and SQLPlaylist plugins? There should
also be capability to play favorites from my own collection without
streaming it from Last.FM though...

On that note, a lot of the stuff in this discussion is already done in
plugins or external scripts (sometimes OS-specific though). Following that,
a lot of the discussion around those plugins / scripts is concerned with
making sure the version is right... I'd like to see infrastructure for
informing the user that there's an updated version of the plugin that
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urbanshepherd
2006-08-31 17:21:17 UTC
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Not sure how popular this one is, but for me support for Apple Lossless
on the squeezebox itself would be a real boon so not having to decode
and encode on my server.

Sorry to be dull here, but just something that niggles when i see my
cpu usage being higher than what it should!
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kaid
2006-08-31 17:40:59 UTC
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I'd like to see bug #775 resolved. I have multiple files (flac and mp3)
for every CD I own for ipod support. I also have downloaded mp3's with
no corresponding flac file. I would like to exclude mp3's from
slimserver scanning when a corresponding flac version exists and
include them when there is no corresponding flac file.

The partial fix posted by Dan Sully doesn't directly address my
situation, though the following combination of suggestions in this
thread might be a work around:
1. support for multiple music directories - keep my flac w/ mp3's in a
different directory than my mp3's without flac's.
2. Dan's partial fix - change 8171 - excluding files by extension on a
per directory basis. In other words, exclude mp3's in my flac & mp3
directory but don't exclude mp3's in my mp3 only directory.

Anyway, that would make slimserver just about perfect for my use
patterns.

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=775
http://svn.slimdevices.com/?rev=8171&view=rev
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Peter Nõu
2006-08-31 20:58:18 UTC
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Post by kaid
I'd like to see bug #775 resolved. I have multiple files (flac and mp3)
for every CD I own for ipod support. I also have downloaded mp3's with
no corresponding flac file. I would like to exclude mp3's from
slimserver scanning when a corresponding flac version exists and
include them when there is no corresponding flac file.
The partial fix posted by Dan Sully doesn't directly address my
situation, though the following combination of suggestions in this
1. support for multiple music directories - keep my flac w/ mp3's in a
different directory than my mp3's without flac's.
2. Dan's partial fix - change 8171 - excluding files by extension on a
per directory basis. In other words, exclude mp3's in my flac & mp3
directory but don't exclude mp3's in my mp3 only directory.
Anyway, that would make slimserver just about perfect for my use
patterns.
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=775
http://svn.slimdevices.com/?rev=8171&view=rev
EXACTLY my situation. Must be more of us out there ;-) /peter
autopilot
2006-08-31 21:14:43 UTC
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Post by Peter Nõu
Post by kaid
I'd like to see bug #775 resolved. I have multiple files (flac and
mp3)
Post by kaid
for every CD I own for ipod support. I also have downloaded mp3's
with
Post by kaid
no corresponding flac file. I would like to exclude mp3's from
slimserver scanning when a corresponding flac version exists and
include them when there is no corresponding flac file.
The partial fix posted by Dan Sully doesn't directly address my
situation, though the following combination of suggestions in this
1. support for multiple music directories - keep my flac w/ mp3's in
a
Post by kaid
different directory than my mp3's without flac's.
2. Dan's partial fix - change 8171 - excluding files by extension on
a
Post by kaid
per directory basis. In other words, exclude mp3's in my flac & mp3
directory but don't exclude mp3's in my mp3 only directory.
Anyway, that would make slimserver just about perfect for my use
patterns.
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=775
http://svn.slimdevices.com/?rev=8171&view=rev
EXACTLY my situation. Must be more of us out there ;-) /peter
I agree i would be a nice feature, but not critical. After ripping my
CDs to FLAC, i trancode to Ogg for my PDA/MP3 for use in the car in the
car. I just set up Foobar to drop the trancoded files into a separate
folder structure that is not scannned by slimserver.
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jtfields
2006-08-31 18:22:39 UTC
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I would like a way to customize your library by player. I have a SLIMP3
in my son's room and a Squeezebox in the living room. There are certain
tracks I don't want available to my son.

Ideally I would like to see some kind of list of every track in your
library and beside each item you would be a list of all of your players
with a check box beside each one (i.e. column #1 Track/Album/Playlist,
column #2 player1 checkbox, column #3 player2 check box and so on.)
You could then check or uncheck tracks, entire albums or playlists.)
Unchecked items would not show up in the libraries for the
corresponding player while checked items would.

I guess there would need to be a setup option as to whether new music
added would automatically have it's boxes checked or unchecked or, even
better, configured by player (i.e. new music or playlists added are
automatically available in player1 but not available in player2.)
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ceejay
2006-08-31 18:41:29 UTC
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Post by jtfields
I would like a way to customize your library by player. I have a SLIMP3
in my son's room and a Squeezebox in the living room. There are certain
tracks I don't want available to my son.
Ideally I would like to see some kind of list of every track in your
library and beside each item you would be a list of all of your players
with a check box beside each one (i.e. column #1 Track/Album/Playlist,
column #2 player1 checkbox, column #3 player2 check box and so on.)
You could then check or uncheck tracks, entire albums or playlists.)
Unchecked items would not show up in the libraries for the
corresponding player while checked items would.
I guess there would need to be a setup option as to whether new music
added would automatically have it's boxes checked or unchecked or, even
better, configured by player (i.e. new music or playlists added are
automatically available in player1 but not available in player2.)
Interesting idea... as a variation on the theme, why not arrange for
this data to be stored in some tag or other in the music files? That
would have the advantage of surviving any need to rebuild the
slimserver database. In that case it starts to sound a little like an
earlier discussion on segmenting the database by owner (not quite the
same I realise, but possibly solvable with a single solution)

Ceejay
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TiredLegs
2006-08-31 19:02:20 UTC
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Not sure if this is a Slimserver or plug-in request, but I want the
ability to have the random mix pick albums for me among just Rock or
Jazz selections.
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kdf
2006-08-31 19:11:05 UTC
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Post by TiredLegs
Not sure if this is a Slimserver or plug-in request, but I want the
ability to have the random mix pick albums for me among just Rock or
Jazz selections.
This should already be possible. The random mix web page allows you to
select genres to include or exclude
Then you can start a random album mix, which should only run from the
genres that are checked as included.
-kdf
TiredLegs
2006-09-01 13:57:38 UTC
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Post by TiredLegs
Post by TiredLegs
Not sure if this is a Slimserver or plug-in request, but I want the
ability to have the random mix
Post by TiredLegs
pick albums for me among just Rock or Jazz selections.
This should already be possible. The random mix web page allows you to
select genres to include or exclude Then you can start a random album
mix, which should only run from the genres that are checked as
included.
-kdf
Except all the music files on my Slimserver are WAVs. (Compressed files
are strictly for portable devices IMHO.) Since WAVs don't have any kind
of genre tag, I'm thinking that I would need to create two separate
folders within the library, to split the genres apart. Unless there's
some other way I haven't thought of.
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ceejay
2006-09-01 14:52:47 UTC
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Post by TiredLegs
Except all the music files on my Slimserver are WAVs. (Compressed files
are strictly for portable devices IMHO.) Since WAVs don't have any kind
of genre tag, I'm thinking that I would need to create two separate
folders within the library, to split the genres apart. Unless there's
some other way I haven't thought of.
One view of this is that you're asking a lot for slimserver to anything
very clever with WAV files, when it is so dependent on tags.

However, since I think we are in "brainstorming mode" (therefore no
criticism allowed ) perhaps I can try to turn this round a little. Is
what you are looking for actually an enhancement to tell slimserver to
guess tags other than artist/album/title from file names? EG have an
option to tell it that the file structure is in the form
genre/artist/album/track and to populate the database appropriately?
You'd need this to be user configurable, of course. That would seem
neat, doable, and meet the requirement?

Potentially expandable for other tags too, like Year? You'd need to be
sure you were consistent in you file structure for it to be useful,
though.

Ceejay
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radish
2006-09-01 15:08:44 UTC
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Unless there's some other way I haven't thought of.
It's called FLAC :)
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technograndad
2006-09-01 15:21:43 UTC
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I'd like to be able to turn off my SB3 and have it resume at the same
point in the file when turned back on.
Not only that, but resume for *every* file that I've played and not
reached the end of. Like TiVo does, resume by default.

(Apologies if:- a) this has already been suggested, or b) it's in v6.5
- I'm still on v6.3)

John
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jtfields
2006-08-31 20:47:19 UTC
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Post by ceejay
Interesting idea... as a variation on the theme, why not arrange for
this data to be stored in some tag or other in the music files? That
would have the advantage of surviving any need to rebuild the
slimserver database.
I would think it would definitely need some sort of way to survive a
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JJZolx
2006-08-31 21:14:39 UTC
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Post by ceejay
Interesting idea... as a variation on the theme, why not arrange for
this data to be stored in some tag or other in the music files? That
would have the advantage of surviving any need to rebuild the
slimserver database. In that case it starts to sound a little like an
earlier discussion on segmenting the database by owner (not quite the
same I realise, but possibly solvable with a single solution)
I see this requiring essentially three things, two of which I mentioned
in the first post.

- multiple music libraries

Different libraries could be created by pointing at different locations
-or- they could be pointed at the same location, but filtered in some
way. In this case you might have the same root music folder, but
filter on a song 'content rating'.

- user profiles and logins

The 'Superuser' (Admin, whatever) would create users and then say which
libraries each user may have access to. You could create appropriate
libraries for the little ones. You would also assign an owner to each
Squeezebox so that only that user's libraries could be seen on the
remote ui. The web interface would have a user login (which would be
optional, for those with no need for multiple users) and the user would
only have access to their libraries there as well.

- track and/or content content rating tags

Yes, this information would need to be stored in tags to survive a
clear/rescan. Maybe some tags already exist for this purpose, or maybe
SlimServer can forge some new ground.
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jtfields
2006-09-01 16:34:15 UTC
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I see this requiring essentially three things, two of which I mentioned
in the first post.
- multiple music libraries
<snip>
- user profiles and logins
The 'Superuser' (Admin, whatever) would create users and then say which
libraries each user may have access to. You could create appropriate
libraries for the little ones.
<snip>
- track and/or content content rating tags
Yes, this information would need to be stored in tags to survive a
clear/rescan.
<snip>
While your suggestion would probably work, I don't know that it's as
practical as some sort of simple filtering system for what I'm trying
to accomplish. In your scenario you would have to maintain a separate
library for each player. In my situation for example, the majority of
the library available to both players would be substantially the same
with just some albums and tracks unavailable to one of the players. I
wouldn't want to maintain two libraries for this purpose as that would
waste a lot of disk space and be a hassle when I wanted to add music.
Now expand that to someone with several players and it really gets
impractical.

My idea was merely to have a way to apply some sort of filter to your
library (or libraries if multiple libraries were ever supported) to
control what songs each player has access to.
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James Dunn
2006-09-01 20:58:49 UTC
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I'd go for smart playlists. This would address my year limiting requirement
(e.g. for random 80's or 90's music listening).
James Dunn
Mick Horne
2006-09-01 22:11:14 UTC
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Upgrade the UI especially the management of playlists.
Post by James Dunn
I'd go for smart playlists. This would address my year limiting requirement
(e.g. for random 80's or 90's music listening).
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2006-09-01 23:34:35 UTC
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Post by jtfields
I would like a way to customize your library by player. I have a SLIMP3
in my son's room and a Squeezebox in the living room. There are certain
tracks I don't want available to my son.
Interesting idea... as a variation on the theme, why not arrange for
this data to be stored in some tag or other in the music files?
A better solution would be to use multiple music libraries/personas.

Eg. you could have libraries/personas called "Dads" and "Son's".
You could have 3 music folders - Dad's, Son's and Shared.
Dads persona could include Dads music folder and shared.
Son's persona could include Son's music folder and shared.

Son's Squeezebox could be configured to use Son's persona, so would use Son's music library.
Living room Squeezebox could be configured to use Dad's persona.

Optionally, perhaps a persona could be configured with a password to restrict access.
Optionally, perhaps restrict persona's to specific players.

I think this kind of support is so versatile, it could fit in with many different user requirements.

Phil
jtfields
2006-09-02 03:43:33 UTC
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A better solution would be to use multiple music libraries/personas.
Eg. you could have libraries/personas called "Dads" and "Son's".
You could have 3 music folders - Dad's, Son's and Shared.
I can see where the support for multiple libraries and "personas" could
be used to acheive my goal, however, I don't really see that as a better
solution. That would require me to change the way I organize my music
(which is used for more than just the my Squeezeboxes.) Also, your
method becomes somewhat difficult for someone with a lot of players
because one shared folder probably wouldn't do.

For example, say you have three players and song A is shared by players
1 and 2 but not 3, however, song B is shared by players 2 and 3 but not
1. And, of course, there's song C shared by players 1 and 3 but not 2.
A single "shared" folder would not do. Toss in more players and really
big libraries and it could start to get really complex. The only way to
manage that with folders would be to start having a separate library for
each player which would end up with a lot of redundancy and use a lot of
disk space (not to mention making adding music a little more
cumbersome.)

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of SlimServer supporting multiple
libraries and being able to control which players see which libraries.
However, my personal preference is to also be able to filter at the
album, track and playlist level for each player. In other words, I
want to be able to look at a track and say "I want player 1 and 2 to
see it but not player 3.

A nice GUI for this would be my "check box" idea.
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Phil Meyer
2006-09-02 08:30:42 UTC
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The only way to
manage that with folders would be to start having a separate library for
each player which would end up with a lot of redundancy and use a lot of
disk space (not to mention making adding music a little more
cumbersome.)
Tou could have a separate library for each player with little redundancy, as each library could contain links to the actual folders where the music is stored, rather than duplicating the music.

I can't see that there would be much demand for your checkbox filtering of a whole library - it's rather unique for your situation. You wouldn't get a lot of support for the feature either, eg. I'm sure plugins wouldn't be adapted, so for example if you were to use lazy search, it would find music that shouldn't be available in your library. Would the functionality also extend to saved playlists? I can't see how it would work.

That's a lot of maintenance too. Every time you add a new player, you'd have to go through the whole library deciding what music should be allowed to play on it. It may be okay for a small library, but not when scaled up to a few hundred albums or more.

Phil
cparker
2006-09-02 09:26:06 UTC
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I would like to see it doing the basics first before adding more bells,
I dont care about streaming I want my MP3 collection I've already
bought to be played seamlessly when ripped by LAME

See http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026 which has been
open 18 months now!

Please vote for it so maybe it will get fixed
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rfreedman
2006-09-02 16:08:21 UTC
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Post by cparker
I would like to see it doing the basics first before adding more bells,
I dont care about streaming I want my MP3 collection I've already
bought to be played seamlessly when ripped by LAME
See http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026 which has been
open 18 months now!
Please vote for it so maybe it will get fixed
I agree - I think that stability of the existing codebase should take
priority over new features.

As of today, there are 29 bugs listed as "major" or higher in severity.


I would hope that at least these 29 would be fixed before any new
features are added.

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smc2911
2006-09-04 23:44:27 UTC
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Post by cparker
I would like to see it doing the basics first before adding more bells,
I dont care about streaming I want my MP3 collection I've already
bought to be played seamlessly when ripped by LAME
See http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026 which has been
open 18 months now!
Please vote for it so maybe it will get fixed
Gapless playback is not possible for mp3s. It's an intrinsic problem
with the mp3 format rather than a Slimserver/Squeezebox problem. No
player can achieve gapless mp3 playback. Squeezebox does deliver
gapless playback for codecs that allow it (e.g. ogg, flac).
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wunder
2006-09-05 01:15:20 UTC
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1. Freeform search function- I'm not sure if that's a server function or
firmware for the box (or both).

2. Better FF/RW ability. That's one thing I really miss when moving
from CDs.

3. Recover more gracefully from wireless issues. When the buffer runs
out, the player just stutters until my microwave or phone stops messing
with the wireless- sometimes it takes quite a while. If I just pause
playback, then it plays well for quite a while before hiccuping again.
I have an 802.11g router on the way...

4. Better handling of classical music.
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jtfields
2006-09-02 13:54:06 UTC
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Tou could have a separate library for each player with little
redundancy, as each library could contain links to the actual folders
where the music is stored, rather than duplicating the music.
I can't see that there would be much demand for your checkbox filtering
of a whole library...
Would the functionality also extend to saved playlists?...
That's a lot of maintenance too. Every time you add a new player,
you'd have to go through the whole library deciding what music should
be allowed to play on it...
True, doing it with links would cut out on the redundancy but it would
create a big hassle. Someone could literally have to create thousands
of links.

I don't know what kind of demand there would be for this type of
functionality. Most people probably want most of their players to have
access to their entire collection so demand very well might be low. I
would guess it would mostly be used in situations where you wanted
parental control, in households where musical tastes varied widely
(i.e. Dad could care less about his Squeezebox having kid's Britney
Spears and kid doesn't want Dad's Frank Sinatra, etc.), or if you had a
Squeezebox in a location where you wanted a limited library. That said,
I'm the first to admit that the suggestion is a selfish one. ;)

I really hadn't thought about plug-in support. Since plug-ins are
optional if you made heavy use of filtering then I guess you'd need to
take that into consideration when you decide which plug-ins you want to
use.

I would like the functionality to extend to saved playlists but not on
the individual song level in a playlist. In other words, I would like
the ability to dictate which players see which playlists.

If such funtionality existed my guess is that it could be extended to
any of the tags to which you have browse or search capabilities.
Therefore, if you uncheck Pink Floyd all Pink Floyd albums become
unchecked automatically for that player, if you only uncheck a
particular album then all the tracks associated with that album become
unchecked or you could just uncheck particular songs. I've seen
database filters that funtion similarly to this. I just don't know if
that's something that can be extended to the Squeezebox.

In my fantasy world there would be some sort of setting where you told
it when you added a player to either give that player the ability to
start by seeing everything, nothing or copy the filter from another
player. That would give you a starting point then you could go in and
start checking/unchecking boxes ot customize the new player. Yes, it
could be a hassle but it sure beats having to do it by creating a whole
new library with a bunch of links. Not to mention that you just take
the time to do it once and it's done. I don't think most people add
new players on a very frequent basis.
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JJZolx
2006-09-02 14:12:14 UTC
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I don't know what kind of demand there would be for this type of
functionality. Most people probably want most of their players to have
access to their entire collection so demand very well might be low. I
would guess it would mostly be used in situations where you wanted
parental control, in households where musical tastes varied widely
(i.e. Dad could care less about his Squeezebox having kid's Britney
Spears and kid doesn't want Dad's Frank Sinatra, etc.), or if you had a
Squeezebox in a location where you wanted a limited library. That said,
I'm the first to admit that the suggestion is a selfish one. ;)
There's a _lot_ of call for this type of functionality. As I pointed
out in a reply above, this really requires user management of some
kind, coupled with the concept of a player belonging to a given user,
plus multiple libraries and/or filtering.

Keep in mind that you not only have to lock down the player through the
remote ui, but you need to control what can be seen and played through
the web ui. That requires knowing who's logged in to the web interface
and then being able to control what music they see.

Many people just want to be able to browse their own music without
having to wade through the music of their children, or their husband,
etc. It's less of a content-security concern, but essentially the same
thing. There's also the 'Christmas party' or 'kids party' scenarios.
You have a player that you want your guests to have access to, but you
need to limit what music they can play. This has all been requested
and discussed quite a few times. The demand is very high.
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jalessi
2006-09-02 14:31:59 UTC
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It would be great to have a feature like iTunes Smart Playlists, but as
a Smart Filter instead of a playlist.

You could define filters using SlimServer and then apply them from the
player. The filters would be setup much like the Smart Playlists in
iTunes, but unlike a playlist, once a filter is applied to a
Squeezebox, every function of the SqueezeBox will ignore items that do
not fall into the filter.

Filters could be selected from the SB at a top level menu so that all
existing menu options (i.e. Browse, Search, etc...) would only operate
on the filtered data.

I could create a filter that only contains FLAC files, or a filter for
my kids music, or a filter that blocks out all my kids music (for my
use). What about a filter to only show only classical music, or just
the opposite (show everything but classical music). A filter to show
everything but holliday music?

Defined filters could also be stacked (combined).

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jalessi
2006-09-02 14:37:45 UTC
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I would like to restrict access to my SS by fully qualified domain name
as opposed to IP. That would allow me to define access from computers
with a dynamic IP. An alternative would be to restrict access by MAC
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jimwillsher
2006-09-02 14:58:20 UTC
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Two major improvements for me would be:

1) Better UI. There's simply no quick way to move a track 15 places
up/down a playlist, other than to click the arrow, wait for refresh,
click the arrow, wait for refresh, click the arrow etc. etc. Surely
there's some scope for drag 'n' drop functionality? Most browsers
provide some level of support for this now,

2) Integration of AlienBBC. I want to list to BBC Radio, but my
Slimserver runs on a non-GUI Ubuntu webserver box. As such, I have
virtually none of the prequiquisites installed - MPlayer, the codecs,
etc. Surely these can now be bundled into the main release, and
optimised? After all, SoftSqueeze is now incorporated into the build.

That's it! Those two would transform my SB3 dramatically.


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aubuti
2006-09-02 17:16:47 UTC
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Post by jimwillsher
1) Better UI. There's simply no quick way to move a track 15 places
up/down a playlist, other than to click the arrow, wait for refresh,
click the arrow, wait for refresh, click the arrow etc. etc. Surely
there's some scope for drag 'n' drop functionality? Most browsers
provide some level of support for this now,
That's it! Those two would transform my SB3 dramatically.
Then check out the ExBrowse3 plugin, which has supported drag-and-drop
in the playlist at least since version 6.2. I'm not sure if it's being
kept current with version 6.5, and it would be nice if other skins
supported d&d, but in the interim it might help.
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lrossouw
2006-09-03 16:29:41 UTC
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my list:
- better in track ffw and rw (scanning)
- integration with windows media player(wmp) library (like the "use
itunes" /"use music ip" options)
- use of automatic playlists (from itunes\wmp)
- updating of playcounts back to files\itunes\wmp libraries
- updating of star ratings similarly
- playing and creation of lastfm\pandora stations but from local music
(i.e. no streaming, only selecting songs on the slimserver).

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radish
2006-09-04 17:01:31 UTC
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- use of automatic playlists (from itunes\wmp)
- updating of playcounts back to files\itunes\wmp libraries
- updating of star ratings similarly
Isn't that all already there if you use the appropriate plugins?
Post by lrossouw
- playing and creation of lastfm\pandora stations but from local music
(i.e. no streaming, only selecting songs on the slimserver).
I'm not sure that's possible - pandora for example doesn't let you
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lrossouw
2006-09-04 17:51:11 UTC
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Isn't that all already there if you use the appropriate plugins?
I'm not sure that's possible - pandora for example doesn't let you
create stations based on external data.
no there is no plugins for windows media player auto playlists.
trackstat only works with itunes? unless it updates the stars in wmp?
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Jim Voos
2006-09-04 18:36:03 UTC
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I would like to see less focus on more features and general focus on the
stability of the server. Fewer crashes. Rewrite of code that is not too
stable. The server needs to be more rock solid with streaming audio sources
Phill Edwards
2006-09-04 20:51:06 UTC
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More work on the Softsqueeze client to give it built-in LIRC support
(at least for Linux and whatever the equivalent is for Windows).
Jack Coates
2006-09-02 16:28:10 UTC
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Post by jtfields
Post by Phil Meyer
Tou could have a separate library for each player with little
redundancy, as each library could contain links to the actual folders
where the music is stored, rather than duplicating the music.
I can't see that there would be much demand for your checkbox filtering
of a whole library...
Would the functionality also extend to saved playlists?...
That's a lot of maintenance too. Every time you add a new player,
you'd have to go through the whole library deciding what music should
be allowed to play on it...
True, doing it with links would cut out on the redundancy but it would
create a big hassle. Someone could literally have to create thousands
of links.
create thousands of links or check thousands of checkboxes... I think the
only way to get the desired functionality without doing some sort of manual
sorting is to bring in multiple users and rating, then have each user rate
out the music they don't like; problem is that this takes forever, and will
still produce mistakes (like when you accidentally zap a song you like using
the remote).

At the end of the day, sorting and rating your music is a manual task, no
matter what program you use to do it with, because you have to make the
decision (or review the program's decision). This is why my Slimserver now
has 14,299 tracks, because I can't deal with sorting out and archiving the
stuff I don't listen to any more.
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Christopher Biscoe
2006-09-01 14:11:02 UTC
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This might already be in SS, so forgive me if it is, but I would love
to be able to use the Web to select dynamic, streaming content and
send it to SS for playing through my hi-fi.

For example, IMHO, KCRW is one of the world's greatest public radio
stations (no affiliation, promise). One of the really cool things
they do is archive all of their shows on a searchable page on their
website. Some of these shows are music based (for example, a one-hour
interview and performance session with the Flaming Lips, or Tom
Waits, or whatever), some of which are news/information based. What
would be amazing is the ability to select one of these archived shows
and instead of playing with Windows Media, Real Audio or Itunes/
Quicktime, but rather, send to a Slim agent, that could then play
through Squeezebox. Of course, I know there are ways to "record" or
archive locally and then add those to the slim playlist, but this
takes considerable effort and sometimes these broadcasts are not
something that you would want to preserve for multiple listenings.

I realize that this would be a technically challenging, but why stop
a boy from dreaming...
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2006-09-01 14:44:18 UTC
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Post by Christopher Biscoe
This might already be in SS, so forgive me if it is, but I would love
to be able to use the Web to select dynamic, streaming content and
send it to SS for playing through my hi-fi.
For example, IMHO, KCRW is one of the world's greatest public radio
stations (no affiliation, promise). One of the really cool things
they do is archive all of their shows on a searchable page on their
website. Some of these shows are music based (for example, a one-hour
interview and performance session with the Flaming Lips, or Tom
Waits, or whatever), some of which are news/information based. What
would be amazing is the ability to select one of these archived shows
and instead of playing with Windows Media, Real Audio or Itunes/
Quicktime, but rather, send to a Slim agent, that could then play
through Squeezebox. Of course, I know there are ways to "record" or
archive locally and then add those to the slim playlist, but this
takes considerable effort and sometimes these broadcasts are not
something that you would want to preserve for multiple listenings.
I realize that this would be a technically challenging, but why stop
a boy from dreaming...
So, rather like AlienBBC does for the BBC's stations?

Have you tried this? Its another of the world's greatest public radio
stations! :)

Ceejay
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Paul Webster
2006-09-01 15:38:10 UTC
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Post by ceejay
So, rather like AlienBBC does for the BBC's stations?
Have you tried this? Its another of the world's greatest public radio
stations! :)
Ceejay
By coincidence - I came across that station last night when browsing
picks, I think from RadioTime.
Left it on for 2 hours as we prepared and ate dinner - thought it was
great.

Will go off to look at their "Listen Again" - but sounds like being
able to process like AlienBBC does with other stations would be
worthwhile. Neededn't wait for post-6.5 for that though - just needs
some people with time and skill to have a go.
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2006-08-31 19:28:02 UTC
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--- gingerneil
Post by Pale Blue Ego
Post by Pale Blue Ego
There's nothing stopping you from using DRM music on the
Squeezebox.
Post by Pale Blue Ego
Burn your DRM downloads to an audio CD (you should do this anyway
as a
Post by Pale Blue Ego
backup), then rip them to a lossless format like FLAC.
Bingo - you have full use of the - legal - download forever.
No you dont. Generally, changing the format of the recording (ie from
mp3 to flac) is illegal.
that is simply not true. if it were, every slimserver user
transcoding at the server would be breaking the law.

at least in the US, space-shifting is not so clear-cut and has
been successfully argued in some cases to be fair use.

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2006-08-30 22:20:49 UTC
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- multiple music libraries
- individual user customization
Multiple music libraries is the biggie for me too, alongside User Personas.

A music library would contain a list of configurable music folders to scan (ie. rather than using shortcuts), with settings to define when/what type of scan to perform on each configured folder.

Music libraries could be used to represent specific users music, or for other needs. Eg. "Phil's Music", "Alex's Music", "Live Concerts", "Squeeze Network" could be different music libraries.

I'd like to be able to set up several user accounts, with an easy mechanism to switch between them. Each account would have different settings, eg. slimscrobbler/LastFM user, Live365 user, screensaver, etc. Each account could select a music library to use.

Phil
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2006-08-30 23:39:56 UTC
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Post by Phil Meyer
A music library would contain a list of configurable music folders to
scan (ie. rather than using shortcuts), with settings to define
when/what type of scan to perform on each configured folder.
I'd like to see this as well, even though it's really more of nicety
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radish
2006-08-31 00:53:42 UTC
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I'd agree with a lot of what's already mentioned - for example multiple
music libraries would be FANTASTIC for me - right now I have to run 2
instances of SS and switch between them which is a bit of a hassle and
not very high on the WAF. I'd also suggest customizable browse trees -
so not just Artist/Album/Song but make it configurable. I'd like, for
example, to have mixed albums apart from artist albums. That data is in
the tags, and a player I used to use (Meedio) had an interface for
setting up your own browse patterns based on SQL queries. Not for the
beginner sure, but very powerful.
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JohnnyLightOn
2006-08-31 00:52:39 UTC
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Automatically-generated playlists, such as is done in Windows Media
Player. This has already been entered as a feature request (bug 380),
but has been put off (target milestone=future).

The playlists would be constantly updated, and would contain such lists
as:

- Songs/albums/artists you play late at night.
- Songs/albums/artists you play on weekend nights.
- Songs/albums/artists you play on Sunday mornings.
- Songs/albums/artists you play during dinnertime.
- Last 25 songs/albums/artists you played.
- Overall most played songs/albums/artists.

And anything else you can think of that would be worth generating
automatically.
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TimothyB
2006-09-01 23:17:17 UTC
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Does 6.5 let people who use FLAC images and cues ride in the front of
the bus with everyone else?

These are the things that it seems I miss out on in 6.3:

- FF/RW inside tracks.
- (Album) Replay gain (? need to check this)
- Ability to put ARTISTSORT & ALBUMSORT (by whatever name) into the cue
file.

Other than that, I think a driver to emulate a really long cable from
the soundcard might be nice, but I'm pretty happy with how it works.

No, I lied - a SoftSqueeze with updated certificates (credentials?)
would be handy, too.

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glem01
2006-09-01 23:31:14 UTC
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Hi,

while the discussions about the administration of music collections are
important and I mostly agree, there are other slimserver related issues
that shouldn't be forgotten:

1) try to reduce the footprint of SlimServer. This is very important
for the increasing use of small Linux fileservers (Synology,
Linkstation and others) where SlimServer has to run. Certainly it usees
too much ressources, mainly memory, compared to many other applications
running on the same systems. I know, it's perl interpreted, but even
then... Perhaps modularizing more and implementing more functions as
optional plugins? Maintain the core functionality as small as
possible.

2) implement native support for RSTP (upgrading the SQbox firmware).
It's quite a pain to get AlienBBC working on small machines (see
above). Or are there any copyright or technical issues for not doing
it?

3) optimize the Web interface for small devices like handhelds,
smartphones and so on. I usually don't carry a laptop with me.

Greetings, Manuel
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Michael Herger
2006-09-04 11:47:24 UTC
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3) optimize the Web interface for small devices like handhelds,
smartphones and so on. I usually don't carry a laptop with me.
Tried http://yourserver:9000/Handheld/?
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Bennett, Gavin (LDN Int)
2006-08-31 08:22:48 UTC
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My favoured enhancement for 7 would be automatic de-duplication of
playlists. As disk space is cheap I do not worry about the multiple
copies of tracks. When building a playlist by adding favourite albums
it would be great if SlimServer removed the dupes - this would be
particularly useful when adding "Various Artists" albums to the
playlist. A "Clean" function to process existing lists and remove dupes
or missing files would be nice too.

After that I would second the smart playlist functionms.


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2006-08-31 09:47:50 UTC
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What about the ability to download the album artwork for albums
automatically from a web music database.

Also I like to listen to my music collection from work which is stored
at home so I would like to see the music streaming improved.

Multiple databases would be a nice one as many people have mentioned.


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2006-09-01 00:09:46 UTC
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Also I like to listen to my music collection from work which is stored
at home so I would like to see the music streaming improved.
How so? You'll be limited by upload speed, not anything to do with
SlimServer.

A built-in SSH server for music streaming would be nice though.
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Jungle
2006-08-31 09:21:39 UTC
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Since 6.5 is pretty much in the bag, what do you want in SlimServer 7?
Me? I feel that the two biggest omissions in SlimServer currently are
the lack of
- multiple music libraries
- individual user customization
Only a small issue but I would love to see some automatic log file
trimming going on - several times, I have forgotten to trim outize log
files and ended up with problems.

I'd also love to see some sort of 'Lazy search' assimilated into the
main interface - browsing and searching in large libraries can be a
real pain. This would be especially useful if multiple libraries are
allowed in 7.
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2006-08-31 18:10:33 UTC
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Only a small issue but I would love to see some automatic log file
trimming going on - several times, I have forgotten to trim outize log
files and ended up with problems.
I love this suggestion. Some log file management - purging older data
and never allowing the log file to grow beyond a set size. Or else
daily log rotation. On Windows it's impossible to trim or delete an
open SlimServer log without first stopping the server.
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Bennett, Gavin (LDN Int)
2006-09-01 09:19:15 UTC
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A very useful change for me would be the ability to have player settings
replicated accross all players taking into account the different types
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A very useful change for me would be the ability to have player settings
replicated accross all players taking into account the different types
(SoftSqueeze, Slimp3 and Squeezebox flavours)
I thought about this, too. This would imho be (like many of the other
suggestions in this list) a great opportunity for a plugin author or
somebody who'd like to know more about the slimserver's innards to get
started with. Nothing everybody wants, thus no core functionality to be
built into slimserver, but really handy if you have use for it.
Volunteers? :-)
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2006-09-01 23:48:22 UTC
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I thought about this, too. This would imho be (like many of the other
suggestions in this list) a great opportunity for a plugin author or
somebody who'd like to know more about the slimserver's innards to get
started with. Nothing everybody wants, thus no core functionality to be
built into slimserver, but really handy if you have use for it.
Can't you just copy a block of options from the slimserver.prefs file?

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2006-09-04 11:50:00 UTC
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Can't you just copy a block of options from the slimserver.prefs file?
_You_ could, and _I_ could. But don't ask any user to manipulate the prefs
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_You_ could, and _I_ could. But don't ask any user to manipulate the prefs
file.
I was naively thinking that only geeks would own more than a couple of players ;)

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2006-09-04 19:06:52 UTC
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I was naively thinking that only geeks would own more than a couple of players ;)
I wouldn't call my GF a geek - but she still likes to have on in her room.
(And then I must be the geek installing the other five players in the
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Since 6.5 is pretty much in the bag, what do you want in SlimServer 7?
Forget about updating SlimServer, top of my wishlist is for the forum bug that causes incorrect threading of mail messages to be fixed. I just got totally confused reading a bunch of posts in reply to the wrong message.

The forum should be made read-only until the bug 2712 is fixed.
Steve
2006-09-04 12:10:57 UTC
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For me, parental controls are needed. What with so many tracks containing
swearing I'd like a better way of managing what can get played at certain
times.

As a work around I've tagged albums and tracks I know are dodgy with
"NotForKids" so if I want to play random music I just exclude this genre.
Dirty but works, but means I lose the genre tag.

Ideally the DB should be able to flag files as adult content and then set a
time when these can be played without some sort of PIN override. The
difficult part is knowing which files to tag. Is there an online reference
telling you what albums contain swearing?

Steve
Post by JJZolx
Since 6.5 is pretty much in the bag, what do you want in SlimServer 7?
Me? I feel that the two biggest omissions in SlimServer currently are
the lack of
- multiple music libraries
- individual user customization
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2006-09-04 12:36:54 UTC
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As a work around I've tagged albums and tracks I know are dodgy with
"NotForKids" so if I want to play random music I just exclude this
genre. Dirty but works, but means I lose the genre tag.I'm not sure you should have to lose the GENRE tag, although I guess it
depends on the audio format. Do you use a format which supports
multiple genres? (And does SlimServer support that?) You might be
able to just add that NotForKids genre to the existing genre.
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2006-09-04 13:26:59 UTC
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I'm using mostly 192kb VBR MP3 - Don't know if it or SS supports multiple
genres.
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Post by Steve
As a work around I've tagged albums and tracks I know are dodgy with
"NotForKids" so if I want to play random music I just exclude this
genre. Dirty but works, but means I lose the genre tag.I'm not sure you
should have to lose the GENRE tag, although I guess it
depends on the audio format. Do you use a format which supports
multiple genres? (And does SlimServer support that?) You might be
able to just add that NotForKids genre to the existing genre.
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2006-09-04 13:46:19 UTC
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I'm using mostly 192kb VBR MP3 - Don't know if it or SS supports multiple
genres.
Use MP3Tag to make sure everything's using ID3v2 tags and not ID3v1, then
you can select as many genre's per track as you want (within reason).
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