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[slim] New (Logitech) Squeezebox
Furry
2007-06-06 19:55:00 UTC
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I've just received my new SB3, my 2nd:

1. Logos are now Logitech (my first SB3 has SlimDevices logos).
2. Its an all black one, which looks nice.
3. Firmware version is 81.
4. Dodgy power connection.

I think 4. is something to do with the PCB connector, rather than an
intermittent connection in the wall-wart's DC plug / cable. More
investigation required (will try 1st SB3's PSU with it). Still, its OK
if I don't touch it...

Dave.


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Ian_F
2007-06-06 21:20:15 UTC
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Furry;207166 Wrote:
> Still, its OK if I don't touch it...

But better if you RMA it surely? Hopefully it's just a one-off and not
a whole batch of 'em.


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SuperQ
2007-06-06 22:05:10 UTC
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Furry;207166 Wrote:
> I've just received my new SB3, my 2nd:
>
> 1. Packaging has changed, now smaller box etc., and quite funky.
> 2. Logos are now Logitech (my first SB3 has SlimDevices logos).
> 3. Its an all black one, which looks nice.
> 4. Firmware version is 81.
> 5. Dodgy power connection.
>
> I think 5. is something to do with the PCB connector, rather than an
> intermittent connection in the wall-wart's DC plug / cable. More
> investigation required (will try 1st SB3's PSU with it). Still, its OK
> if I don't touch it...
>
> Dave.

Please post pictures :)


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crooner
2007-06-07 00:00:00 UTC
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Yeah, some pics would be great!


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seanadams
2007-06-07 02:03:24 UTC
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Furry;207166 Wrote:
> 5. Dodgy power connection.

Can you explain this more? Is it the soldering of the connector to the
PCB that is loose, or is it the mating of the plug into the socket? Is
it a workmanship issue? Also where did you buy it?


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robt
2007-06-07 09:37:32 UTC
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The "dodgy power connector" is interesting. I am in the UK and had an
SB3 (Logitech branded) delivered on Monday. The unit was faulty - there
was no splash screen on powering up. While investigating the problem I
noticed that the red light behind the optical connector was on (so
there was some power getting to the unit), but -occasionally it was
going off for a few seconds- until I waggled the power connector a
little. I got the impression that the power connector was a little
cheap and flimsy.

I had a replacement SB3 delivered yesterday. This works fine, and I'm
really pleased with it. I haven't looked at the red light to see if
it's periodically going off, but I guess it isn't.

Rob


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elziko
2007-06-07 10:59:11 UTC
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I had my Logitech SB3 delivered yesterday and I think I have the same
power cord problem. I will investigate tonight to find out whether its
the power supply or the main unit.

What's the best thing to do about returns that will leave me without my
SB3 for the least amount of time? Can I do it direct with Slim Devices
or should I do it though my supplier who was:

http://www.themp3company.co.uk/

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robt
2007-06-07 12:25:16 UTC
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Go through your supplier. ripcaster.co.uk were brilliant with me. I rang
them up and described the problem, and they sent me a new one the same
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Furry
2007-06-07 17:28:00 UTC
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seanadams;207239 Wrote:
> Can you explain this more? Is it the soldering of the connector to the
> PCB that is loose, or is it the mating of the plug into the socket? Is
> it a workmanship issue? Also where did you buy it?

I just tried the wall-wart that came with my first 'Slim Devices' SB3,
and it works fine - no intermittent connection. So no problem, then,
with the new SB3's PCB / connector soldering etc.

On closer inspection, the wall-warts are different. Also, the coaxial
power connector on the end of the DC power lead is different - I
*think* the internal diameter of the 'tip' (hole) is a little
different. It would seem that the plugs are supposed to be the same,
but they're not, quite.


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Furry
2007-06-07 18:05:34 UTC
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Some pictures:

'Old' wall-wart is on the left, 'new' is on the right.

Confusingly, connector for 'new' is on left, for 'old' is on right, in
2nd and 3rd photos (d'oh).


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nicketynick
2007-06-07 19:01:23 UTC
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I hate to say it, but I don't like the look of that at all! I've had a
search, but no luck yet - anybody remember the thread where somebody
got rid of the logo altogether and painted the surface a smooth matte
black?


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Peter
2007-06-07 19:31:30 UTC
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nicketynick wrote:
> I hate to say it, but I don't like the look of that at all! I've had a
> search, but no luck yet - anybody remember the thread where somebody
> got rid of the logo altogether and painted the surface a smooth matte
> black?
>

Well, I'm glad I got mine with the original SD logo.
It doesn't look very exclusive anymore, does it...?

I hope it's a coincidence that quality problems are popping up at the
same time of the rebranding.

Regards,
Peter
fredbloggs
2007-06-07 20:08:15 UTC
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Whilst I would rather have had one with the Slim Devices logo, I do hope
that the quality hasn't gone downhill. One thing on Logitech's side is
that you now get a two year warranty, I believe it used to be one.

Still enjoying it though


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Furry
2007-06-07 21:10:51 UTC
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fredbloggs;207436 Wrote:
> I do hope that the quality hasn't gone downhill.

To be fair, the SB itself seems fine - it seems its only the
'bought-in' PSU that has a problem (or, more accurately, its plug).

Dave.


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gdpeck
2007-06-07 21:42:47 UTC
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Peter;207425 Wrote:
> nicketynick wrote:[color=blue]
> > <snip>
> Well, I'm glad I got mine with the original SD logo.
> It doesn't look very exclusive anymore, does it...?
> <snip>

QFT

George


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Mitch Harding
2007-06-07 22:12:30 UTC
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Has anyone done a double-blind test to determine the sonic impacts of the
new logo?

On 6/7/07, gdpeck <gdpeck.2rtusz1181252701-NUepA2SMhDQqspMVqqL2D+4xXEVPTSb/***@public.gmane.org>
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> Peter;207425 Wrote:
> > nicketynick wrote:[color=blue]
> > > <snip>
> > Well, I'm glad I got mine with the original SD logo.
> > It doesn't look very exclusive anymore, does it...?
> > <snip>
>
> QFT
>
> George
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tyler_durden
2007-06-07 22:34:34 UTC
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While you're measuring connectors, someone better measure the center pin
in the SB. The problem might be with the connector in the unit, not the
one on the end of the power cable.

TD


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seanadams
2007-06-07 23:05:52 UTC
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tyler_durden;207487 Wrote:
> While you're measuring connectors, someone better measure the center pin
> in the SB. The problem might be with the connector in the unit, not the
> one on the end of the power cable.
>
> TD

Furry says it works OK with his old adaptor so I don't think that's the
case. Anyway the SB3s connector has not changed, in fact the boards are
still being made by the same company.

Incidentally, the reason for the change in power supplies is because
the Phihong ones are already used by Logitech in other products, they
have lower EMI, have interchangeable plugs, and have regulatory
approvals for all the myriad of countries where Logitech sells.


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tyler_durden
2007-06-08 01:22:03 UTC
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seanadams;207492 Wrote:
> Furry says it works OK with his old adaptor so I don't think that's the
> case. Anyway the SB3s connector has not changed, in fact the boards are
> still being made by the same company.

It wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer started buying parts (the
pins) from a different source or "updated" tooling only to discover the
new parts don't match the old...

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bonze
2007-06-07 22:45:08 UTC
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Mitch Harding;207483 Wrote:
> Has anyone done a double-blind test to determine the sonic impacts of
> the new logo?
Apparently it makes all your music sound like Dido


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Ben Sandee
2007-06-07 21:58:47 UTC
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On 6/7/07, Peter <landen-slimp-U7YAb5qxwZbz+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>
> Well, I'm glad I got mine with the original SD logo.
> It doesn't look very exclusive anymore, does it...?


It's never been exclusive, sorry to burst your bubble. Anyone with a couple
hundred dollars can buy one.

Ben
Peter
2007-06-08 16:41:16 UTC
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Ben Sandee wrote:
> On 6/7/07, *Peter* <landen-slimp-U7YAb5qxwZbz+***@public.gmane.org
> <mailto:landen-slimp-U7YAb5qxwZbz+***@public.gmane.org>> wrote:
>
>
> Well, I'm glad I got mine with the original SD logo.
> It doesn't look very exclusive anymore, does it...?
>
>
> It's never been exclusive, sorry to burst your bubble. Anyone with a
> couple hundred dollars can buy one.

Sorry to return the favour and burst your bubble, but exclusive was
never just a matter of dollars. You're probably American, right? ;)

Regards,
Peter
Kyle
2007-06-07 20:08:19 UTC
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nicketynick;207417 Wrote:
> anybody remember the thread where somebody got rid of the logo
> altogether and painted the surface a smooth matte black?

He actually had it anodized, not painted:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23149&highlight=anodized


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Club1820
2007-06-07 20:19:11 UTC
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Im sorry to say - but IMHO that looks absolutely terrible with that logo
on there! Really would hate to have that on the rack with all of my
Rotel equipment. Glad my recent 2nd SB3 was from the old batch. :)


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nicketynick
2007-06-07 20:19:11 UTC
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Kyle;207437 Wrote:
> He actually had it anodized, not painted:
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23149&highlight=anodized

Aah, that's the one! Thanks! I'm sure there will be more than one
person wanting to do the same......


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Mitch Harding
2007-06-07 20:31:54 UTC
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IMO, as long as it sounds good, it can say whatever it wants on the front..

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> Kyle;207437 Wrote:
> > He actually had it anodized, not painted:
> > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23149&highlight=anodized
>
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> person wanting to do the same......
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JJZolx
2007-06-07 20:53:49 UTC
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BTW, just what in the hell -is- that thing in the Logitech logo?


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Ian_F
2007-06-07 21:06:26 UTC
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JJZolx;207456 Wrote:
> BTW, just what in the hell -is- that thing in the Logitech logo?

Looks like the sun and the moon? Albeit drawn by a young child ;)


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DrNic
2007-06-08 00:06:21 UTC
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Ian_F;207460 Wrote:
> Looks like the sun and the moon? Albeit drawn by a young child ;)

I'm gutted that my Black SB3 will have this logo on - this is the first
picture I have seen of its new branding.
Snobbery - maybe, but it just looks shite (plus all my others are
originals!)
I would even have been happy with "Slim Devices" with "A Logitech
Company" underneath like the logo on the homepage.
One thing though - there better not be any power supply issues... :)

Nic

PS: when is the website going to reflect the while brand change?


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2007-06-08 00:57:47 UTC
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DrNic;207501 Wrote:
> I'm gutted that my Black SB3 will have this logo on - this is the first
> picture I have seen of its new branding.
> Snobbery - maybe, but it just looks shite (plus all my others are
> originals!)
> I would even have been happy with "Slim Devices" with "A Logitech
> Company" underneath like the logo on the homepage.
> One thing though - there better not be any power supply issues... :)
>
> Nic
>
> PS: when is the website going to reflect the while brand change?

Is it likely that ongoing upgrades to firmware will change the original
splash-screen from Slimdevices to Logitech, or is that routine in
hardware?


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peterw
2007-06-08 01:13:48 UTC
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peejay;207506 Wrote:
> Is it likely that ongoing upgrades to firmware will change the original
> splash-screen from Slimdevices to Logitech, or is that routine in
> hardware?

That's a firmware feature, and the Logitech logo is already included in
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2007-06-08 02:19:50 UTC
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peterw;207507 Wrote:
> That's a firmware feature, and the Logitech logo is already included in
> the firmware that ships with Slimserver 6.5.2.

I haven't re-booted the SB3 since the upgrade to Slimserver, or maybe
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2007-06-08 16:44:51 UTC
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DrNic wrote:
> Ian_F;207460 Wrote:
>
>> Looks like the sun and the moon? Albeit drawn by a young child ;)
>>
>
> I'm gutted that my Black SB3 will have this logo on - this is the first
> picture I have seen of its new branding.
> Snobbery - maybe, but it just looks shite (plus all my others are
> originals!)
> I would even have been happy with "Slim Devices" with "A Logitech
> Company" underneath like the logo on the homepage.
> One thing though - there better not be any power supply issues... :)
>

Or a new logitech sub-brand. "Logitech Audiophile Series", and drop the
sun & the moon...

This is definitely going to hurt sales. Who'd buy a Transporter for
$2000 with that logo?

Regards,
Peter
Michael Herger
2007-06-08 16:58:22 UTC
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> This is definitely going to hurt sales. Who'd buy a Transporter for
> $2000 with that logo?

Has anybody ever seen a Transporter with a Logitech logo?

Michael
seanadams
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Michael Herger;207676 Wrote:
> > This is definitely going to hurt sales. Who'd buy a Transporter for
> > $2000 with that logo?
>
> Has anybody ever seen a Transporter with a Logitech logo?
>

The new Transporter front panels will just have a "transporter" logo.
The manufacturer logo will be only on the belly label.


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dem
2007-06-08 18:33:22 UTC
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That logo looks pretty bad. It looks like such a bright white in those
photos. The old logo on the all-black was more of a gray/tan, wasn't
it? (I have an original color model, not an all-black).

The lettering on other black audio equipment is usually off-white.


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jonheal
2007-06-08 21:10:25 UTC
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Such whining over a brand name I haven't heard since high school!

I mean who gives a sh1t what it sounds like, right?!? If it's got an
ugly logo or if the ugly logo is 1mm too tall, toss the piece of
crap!!!

Are you the same people that brutalized your fellow students if they
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bephillips
2007-06-08 21:38:14 UTC
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I think it's valid to talk about the look of devices that are designed
to be looked at. This is not something that sits under your desk. In my
ideal future home theater setup, the only things that will be visible
will be the big screen video display, the speakers, and the SB3. The
rest of my home entertainment system will disappear.

Of course the most important things are how good it sounds and how well
it works, but how it looks is important too. The SB3 is essentially the
same thing as a SB2, but looks a lot nicer, and this is an important
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2007-06-08 22:00:11 UTC
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bephillips;207733 Wrote:
> I think it's valid to talk about the look of devices that are designed
> to be looked at. This is not something that sits under your desk. In my
> ideal future home theater setup, the only things that will be visible
> will be the big screen video display, the speakers, and the SB3. The
> rest of my home entertainment system will disappear.
>
> Of course the most important things are how good it sounds and how well
> it works, but how it looks is important too. The SB3 is essentially the
> same thing as a SB2, but looks a lot nicer, and this is an important
> improvement for a piece of home entertainment equipment.

Logitech/slimdevices agree which is why they do versions in
black/white/all black/all white etc. If they thought no one cared how
it looked then they'd house the electronics in an old margarine tub and
save a ton of money!


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2007-06-08 21:59:07 UTC
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>
> Are you the same people that brutalized your fellow students if they
> weren't wearing the correct brand of jeans?

No, but that looks like someone wore their Fruit of The Loom t-shirt
inside out, compared to the old logo which was practically invisible.

Though the brand doesn't necessarily matter to me, I usually try to
avoid being a billboard.


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jonheal
2007-06-08 22:13:11 UTC
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Skunk;207736 Wrote:
> No, but that looks like someone wore their Fruit of The Loom t-shirt
> inside out, compared to the old logo which was practically invisible.
>
> Though the brand doesn't necessarily matter to me, I usually try to
> avoid being a billboard.

Design is important to me, too, and obviously, hugely subjective.

I think the placement and size of the Logitech logo is completely
appropriate and readily comparable to a host of other electronics/audio
products. Some that come to mind:

Apple (the mini)
Sonos
Mark Levison
MBL

>From what I've seen, logos on audiophile equipment, in general, tend to
be on the large size.

Frankly, I think most of the moaning amounts to residual sour grapes
over the sale/acquisition.


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2007-06-08 22:39:49 UTC
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> From what I've seen, logos on audiophile equipment, in general, tend to
> be on the large size.
But they tend not to look like bird droppings.

And the true audiophile product here, the Transporter, won't be getting
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2007-06-08 22:51:23 UTC
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But I am happy I snatched up 4 "classic" SB3s with the very appealing
silver on silver logo just after the acquisition announcement, fearing
such a rebranding. (I also feared a repricing given logitech's
wirelessDJ was $250, I figured Logitech would bump the SB3 to $400 if
for no other reason than to differentiate it from their other
product.)

Happy as I am, I'd be just as happy to supply one of you with a classic
model. Let the bidding begin! I have all the original packaging :)


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2007-06-08 22:57:37 UTC
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> But they tend not to look like bird droppings.

Ok, seriously... what is that thing? Fruit? Bird droppings? Sun &
moon? I thought it was one amoeba devouring another.


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OK, maybe this is a little mean... :-)


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2007-06-08 23:28:29 UTC
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> OK, maybe this is a little mean... :-)

Hey! I think I have a Logitech windshield.


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2007-06-08 23:25:56 UTC
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dem;207747 Wrote:
> But they tend not to look like bird droppings.
>
> And the true audiophile product here, the Transporter, won't be getting
> the logo on the front at all.

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2007-06-09 08:22:52 UTC
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jonheal wrote:
> Skunk;207736 Wrote:
>
>> No, but that looks like someone wore their Fruit of The Loom t-shirt
>> inside out, compared to the old logo which was practically invisible.
>>
>> Though the brand doesn't necessarily matter to me, I usually try to
>> avoid being a billboard.
>>
>
> Design is important to me, too, and obviously, hugely subjective.
>
> I think the placement and size of the Logitech logo is completely
> appropriate and readily comparable to a host of other electronics/audio
> products. Some that come to mind:
>
> Apple (the mini)
>
Says: Hi end computer equipment for hip people.

> Sonos
>
Says: Hi end networked audio for non-geeks.

> Mark Levison
>
Says: Audiophile equipment that likes to identify itself with Lexus drivers

> MBL
>

Says: Exclusive hi-end German audio.

> From what I've seen, logos on audiophile equipment, in general, tend to
> be on the large size.
>
> Frankly, I think most of the moaning amounts to residual sour grapes
> over the sale/acquisition.
>

Slim Devices: Hi end audio for tech savvy people

Logitech: Affordable but good quality mice, webcams and keyboards

Which brand does not fit in in this list? It's a huge risk to rebrand
your product with a very well established name/logo like Logitech. I'll
bet the average Mark Levison buyer who paid not only for the sound but
also for the exclusive image would think twice about putting a Logitech
branded box on top of it (the logo is big).

The people at Logitech/Slim devices recognize this, that's why they
concealed the Logitech logo on the Transporter. IMHO they should do the
same with the Squeezebox or do something different with the logo. The
way Toyota created Lexus when they needed a hi-end brand, everybody
knows Lexus is Toyota, but that doesn't stop the trick from working...

Regards,
Peter
Skunk
2007-06-09 12:48:53 UTC
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>
> From what I've seen, logos on audiophile equipment, in general, tend to
> be on the large size.
Don't they glow as well, on the really good stuff? I suppose we have
that to be thankful for, and the fact there is still no annoying blue
LED.

>
> Frankly, I think most of the moaning amounts to residual sour grapes
> over the sale/acquisition.

Like I said I couldn't care less who pockets my money at the end of the
day. Is there really anyone here who thinks S.D. could have operated
independently forever?

To me it is simply a matter of tact (not the brand). Stamping a plain
white industrial sized logo on a nice black anodized aluminum cover
_is_ rather like droppings on a freshly washed black Bentley.
Preferring understatement in design, the first thing I'd do is color in
the whiteness with black paint or ink.

OTOH, getting out the sharpie would be a lot easier than moaning on a
forum- so point taken.


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2007-06-09 12:52:59 UTC
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Well, I think I will bow out of this debate as I realize there isn't
much point in arguing over subjective issues.


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Okay, one more, and then this -really- is my last comment.

I guess my final advice would be, &#8220;Give the company a
chance.&#8221; It was not a hostile takeover. Sean willingly sold the
company for a sum of money that maybe he could have retired on. He
probably could have just hit the road. Same with Dean and others.

But they didn't. They're both still there.

Now, if they had hit the road, it would have been easy to believe that
they really never believed in their own products to begin with. They
were simply building loyalty amongst a niche of gullible audiophiles,
and then biding their time until they could cash out.

The fact that they are still there speaks of some commitment on their
part to cultivate and maintain the products they created.

It seems to me a primary marketing tool for the Squeezebox has always
been word of mouth. I've read many, many posts wherein people testify
as to how they led their friends to buy SBs.

What are you going to tell your friends? "A couple of months ago, I
would have recommended a Squeezebox to you, but now it has this really
crappy logo on it, so I would steer clear."

Furthermore, is it the proclamation of the naysayers here that
Logitech, the company, being constrained by its product line, has no
business selling high-end audio gear? "What's this!?! This isn't a
mouse! Get back in your workshop and make a MOUSE!!!" God forbid that
any business entity (or human, for that matter) has the gall to think
that they can produce something superior tomorrow, to what they
produced today.


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2007-06-09 15:37:36 UTC
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jonheal wrote:
> Okay, one more, and then this -really- is my last comment.
>
> I guess my final advice would be, &#8220;Give the company a
> chance.&#8221; It was not a hostile takeover. Sean willingly sold the
> company for a sum of money that maybe he could have retired on. He
> probably could have just hit the road. Same with Dean and others.
>
> But they didn't. They're both still there.
>
> Now, if they had hit the road, it would have been easy to believe that
> they really never believed in their own products to begin with. They
> were simply building loyalty amongst a niche of gullible audiophiles,
> and then biding their time until they could cash out.
>
> The fact that they are still there speaks of some commitment on their
> part to cultivate and maintain the products they created.
>

For the record, I have no problem with SD being sold. Had it been my
company I would've done the same.
> It seems to me a primary marketing tool for the Squeezebox has always
> been word of mouth. I've read many, many posts wherein people testify
> as to how they led their friends to buy SBs.
>
> What are you going to tell your friends? "A couple of months ago, I
> would have recommended a Squeezebox to you, but now it has this really
> crappy logo on it, so I would steer clear."
>

No, but I had a hard time selling it to my friends already. They
probably considered it something geeky, and perhaps, the Logitech logo
will make it seem less geeky.

> Furthermore, is it the proclamation of the naysayers here that
> Logitech, the company, being constrained by its product line, has no
> business selling high-end audio gear? "What's this!?! This isn't a
> mouse! Get back in your workshop and make a MOUSE!!!" God forbid that
> any business entity (or human, for that matter) has the gall to think
> that they can produce something superior tomorrow, to what they
> produced today.
>

They can produce whatever they want, the question is if they can sell it
in the form and quality which it has today. The fact that the marketing
boys chose to 'hide' the logo on the Transporter shows that they see the
problem. They just don't seem to recognize it with the Squeezebox. Which
is a pity. I'm glad I got mine in time, because I personally would
prefer not to have an in-your-face Logitech logo on mine. Perhaps the
new model should come with detachable faceplates, silver & black with or
without logo...

Regards,
Peter
JimC
2007-06-09 17:34:07 UTC
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> They can produce whatever they want, the question is if they can sell it
> in the form and quality which it has today...

The Logi-branded Squeezeboxes electronics are still being built at the
sane factory as they were when it was Slim-branded. No changes to the
quality at all.

As for Logitech selling the product, we're rolling the Squeezebox out
to a number of new retail locations across Europe and the U.S. In the
Nordics, we will be the featured music player at a new "Networked
Living Room" section within a major electronics retailer; in the U.K.,
we will be featured in the "Digital Home" section in the largest UK
electronics retailer.

Squeezebox and Transporter are available at Magnolia A/V stores, and
were slated to be sold at Tweeter before they filed for Chp. 11.
You'll see the product added to other major retailers as appropriate.

I don't think we'll have any trouble selling them, or keeping the
quality standards just as high.


> The fact that the marketing boys chose to 'hide' the logo on the
> Transporter shows that they see the problem. They just don't seem to
> recognize it with the Squeezebox.

Actually, the Logitech logo doesn't look right on the transporter from
a balance perspective. If you use the stacked version, it is too small
and if you use the linear version, it is unbalanced to the left.

Plus, the transporter logo just looks "right" on the front of the
device -- better than the Slim Devices logo, in fact.

As far as recognizing the "problem" I'd have to disagree, and not
because I'm a big fan of the Logitech logo. But I can absolutely tell
you that we would not have the opportunity to place Squeezebox in so
many new retailers without the Logitech logo, especially in Europe.
There's a lot of power in the Logitech logo with a broader, more
mainstream audience -- one who would have little to no chance of
knowing the Slim brand.


Jim "marketing boy" Carlton


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2007-06-09 17:56:23 UTC
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> in the U.K., we will be featured in the "Digital Home" section in the
> largest UK electronics retailer.
That'll be Currys.digital then, formally Dixons :)


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2007-06-10 17:51:22 UTC
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JimC;207874 Wrote:
> The Logi-branded Squeezeboxes electronics are still being built at the
> *sane* factory as they were when it was Slim-branded. No changes to
> the quality at all.

Glad to hear that ;-)


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2007-06-10 19:00:29 UTC
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I received my SB on wednesday (bought through European Logitech online
shop, sane shipping costs there at 5€ for UPS standard, ordered friday,
unit was shipped on monday and arrived on wednesday) and am quite
satisfied with it so far, unfortunately I also I have the Logitech logo
which I dislike.
;) ;)
Seriously, I don't care much about the logo and only wanted to point
out that on the shops' website it states that there is a three year
limited warranty on the hardware, which is rather nice by Logitech, I
think (an overall cost of the unit of 200€ would have been even nicer,
lol).
And I am really surprised how good navigation with the remote works
actually, didn't expect that since I previously had used Amarok to play
my music with the interface routed over VNC to my Nokia700. Still miss
Amarok plugins for lyrics and wikipedia, though. The web interface
itself is a bit clumsy.

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2007-06-11 20:01:20 UTC
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signor_rossi;208044 Wrote:
> ...wanted to point out that on the shops' website it states that there
> is a three year limited warranty on the hardware...

Actually, the warranty is 2 years. The text on the website was
incorrect and we're in the process of correcting that. If you look at
the limited warranty info in the manual, you'll find it correctly
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2007-06-11 20:55:39 UTC
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JimC wrote:
>
> Actually, the warranty is 2 years. The text on the website was
> incorrect and we're in the process of correcting that. If you look at
> the limited warranty info in the manual, you'll find it correctly
> stated at 2 years.

When was that updated to 2 years (from the original 1 year)? I picked up
2 of the White Sale sb3s, but my friend who took delivery won't be
bringing them to me til Friday night. Do I have a 2 year warranty on
those boxes?

Thanks,
- Marc
Peter
2007-06-11 06:30:47 UTC
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signor_rossi wrote:
> I received my SB on wednesday (bought through European Logitech online
> shop, sane shipping costs there at 5€ for UPS standard, ordered friday,
> unit was shipped on monday and arrived on wednesday) and am quite
> satisfied with it so far, unfortunately I also I have the Logitech logo
> which I dislike.
> ;) ;)
> Seriously, I don't care much about the logo and only wanted to point
> out that on the shops' website it states that there is a three year
> limited warranty on the hardware, which is rather nice by Logitech, I
> think (an overall cost of the unit of 200€ would have been even nicer,
> lol).
>

A three years warranty is very nice, especially if it would apply to the
'classic' SD Squeezeboxes as well!

Regards,
Peter
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> in the U.K., we will be featured in the "Digital Home" section in the
> largest UK electronics retailer.
>

Well, I wish you all the very best with that - but I'm pretty sure that
was one of the main reasons TiVo failed so completely over here. Like
the Squeezebox, it was one of those wonderful gadgets that has the
potential to really transform how we experience home entertainment. I
still have mine and love it - nothing else has come close.

BUT, it was sold through clueless retailers, who had no real idea what
it was, or why it was better than a VHS recorder at half the price or
less. In the store where I bought mine, the demo unit wasn't even
switched on. And if the store staff don't understand it, their chances
of explaining it to the even more clueless public are nil.

With that in mind, I think the Squeezebox will be a tough sell. It's
many times more expensive than many CD players, and it needs a computer
switched on all the time, and you have to rip all your CDs to a hard
disc and organise them somehow, and set up a network... convincing the
average joe that all that cost and effort is worthwhile certainly isn't
a job for the non-tech-savvy. If my experiences this week trying to buy
a new TV are anything to go by, that's what you're dealing with.

You know this already, of course - but please don't underestimate the
magnitude of the challenge ahead. They won't just fly off the shelves
like a cordless mouse... :(


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> Well, I wish you all the very best with that - but I'm pretty sure that
> was one of the main reasons TiVo failed so completely over here. Like
> the Squeezebox, it was one of those wonderful gadgets that has the
> potential to really transform how we experience home entertainment. I
> still have mine and love it - nothing else has come close.
It didn't help that the Tivo in the UK was analogue only. This was at
the time Freeview was kicking off and Sky+ was starting. So you had 5
channels and a lack of a decent EPG. I believe there was also a
subscription element to it as well. Never going to fly in the UK,
especially when Freeview PVRs started appearing and grabbing their EPG
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I disagree. TiVo can control Sky and Freeview boxes, and once they're
set up, the user doesn't even have to worry about the medium over which
any given channel is transmitted; they all appear in the same EPG and
the unit selects between sources automatically.

Freeview wasn't really an issue at the time anyway - cable and
satellite were the usual sources and it handles those just fine. In
fact, TiVo's ability to integrate with external video sources was just
one of the features that put it streets ahead of most other recorders
at the time.

I guess that goes to confirm my point - great product, shame just how
few potential customers realised quite what it could do.


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2007-06-11 10:31:00 UTC
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>
> I bought my most recent (wired) SB3s for $200 each, and I assume Slim
> made a profit. Will Logitech ever sell a SB for $200? With their vast
> resources they should be able to - much more able to than SD - but will
> they? Remains to be seen.
>

Somehow I can't see the logic here.

On one had the expect Logitech's size/buying power to bring down costs
so cheaper unit's can be produced, while other people are moaning at a
perceived fall in quality in the newer units.

I'm not saying low prices & high quality are mutually exclusive (e.g.
Toyota) but one is normally a function of the other.


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2007-06-11 16:31:50 UTC
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oreillymj;208125 Wrote:
> Somehow I can't see the logic here.
>
> On one had the expect Logitech's size/buying power to bring down costs
> so cheaper unit's can be produced, while other people are moaning at a
> perceived fall in quality in the newer units.
>
> I'm not saying low prices & high quality are mutually exclusive (e.g.
> Toyota) but one is normally a function of the other.

I'm certain a reduction in quality or reliability is not something
anyone wants to see. I was only saying that Logitech *should* be able
to make & sell the same hardware for a lower price.

Of course, we don't know if Logitech even wants to grow the low end of
this market - the support hassles may make it unprofitable. Maybe they
want to sell increasingly expensive SBs to existing customers. At this
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2007-06-11 19:02:33 UTC
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<<Agreed. If it were me, I'd be talking to John Lewis>>

Actually they're already on sale in John Lewis - the store in Reading
has had the all-black version on show for several months - whenever I
go in there I turn it on and get something playing, as it doesn't seem
to get much attention from the staff. However they reckon they've sold
"loads". It's displayed in the computer part of the store (next to the
Macs), well away from the audio stuff - maybe a good choice given the
likely buyers?

The JL website also has them.

The guy in Reading Audio-T (where I bought my Aego Ms) was quite
interested in what I thought, but seemed to have enough problems
selling Sonos (or was it Roku?) systems and didn't seem to relish the
after-sales challenges of sorting out Slimserver install quirks.

The other big spectre in using Curry's / DSG for distribution is the
fate of the Psion Wavefinder, which whatever it's issues still has no
direct equivalent - in my view DSG were completely unable to sell and
support the thing. The only bright spot is that there should be some
pretty tasty discounts if and when DSG end up clearing their stock (I
did a very good deal on the remaining Wavefinders in my local Dixons
when they reached end of line).

Whatever - I wish you luck. At the end of the day the only hope of
volume sales in the UK is to distribute through DSG (and maybe Comet)
and if you can pull off the trick of getting them to understand how to
shift it without alienating all of the existing channels then you have
a great future. If nothing else I can see a marginally profitable
sideline in leaving my card at the local Currys offering to set systems
up with 30 mins training for £50 a time...


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2007-06-12 19:16:07 UTC
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florca;208218 Wrote:
> << If nothing else I can see a marginally profitable sideline in leaving
> my card at the local Currys offering to set systems up with 30 mins
> training for £50 a time...

Huh, I've had similar thoughts... my local big-box is BB, and all they
know about is trying to sell cables.


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> it was sold through clueless retailers, who had no real idea what it
> was, or why it was better than a VHS recorder at half the price or
> less. In the store where I bought mine, the demo unit wasn't even
> switched on. And if the store staff don't understand it, their chances
> of explaining it to the even more clueless public are nil.
>
> With that in mind, I think the Squeezebox will be a tough sell. It's
> many times more expensive than many CD players, and it needs a computer
> switched on all the time, and you have to rip all your CDs to a hard
> disc and organise them somehow, and set up a network... convincing the
> average joe that all that cost and effort is worthwhile certainly isn't
> a job for the non-tech-savvy.

You've made a very good point there. Even if the salesperson DOES
manage to convince the customer that streaming music via their home
network is the way forward, then the next challenge is to convince them
to spend £200 on a Squeezebox when they could buy two Philips Streamium
SLA5520 Wireless Music Adapters and still have change. Furthermore
Philips is already an established hi-fi* brand. &#8220;Logitech? Oh
yeah. They make computer mice don&#8217;t they? What do they know about
making hi-fi equipment? I'll take 2 Streamiums instead&#8221;.

*hi-fi = what the average person in the street calls their £100 stereo
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CardinalFang
2007-06-11 12:49:14 UTC
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Ian_F;208136 Wrote:
> “Logitech? Oh yeah. They make computer mice don’t they? What do they
> know about making hi-fi equipment? I'll take 2 Streamiums instead”.

It won't help that the Sunday Times reviewed several players this
weekend and declared the Sonos the best sounding, better than the SB3
according to their reviewer. The Streamium came last, but it is the
cheapest by far. They also liked the AppleTV more than the Squeezebox

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killie99
2007-06-11 13:19:03 UTC
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If it's Currys that are selling the Squeezebox then I wouldn't be
counting on big sales if I was Logitech (equivalent store in the US is
probably BestBuy).
The people who work in these stores are technically incapable of
selling a product like Sqeezebox - the staff struggle with fridges and
tv's! I was looking to buy a tv a few weeks ago and thought I'd pop
into one of their stores to see what the tv was like - the guy who
attempted to help me had convinced himself that the tv didn't have
freeview and that the only way I could get freeview on it was to hook
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2007-06-11 13:49:33 UTC
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Agreed. If it were me, I'd be talking to John Lewis (a chain of
department stores that typically have good audio & video sections and,
in my experience, intelligent and well trained staff), and hi-fi chains
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7eva
2007-06-12 20:05:55 UTC
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JimC;207874 Wrote:
> The Logi-branded Squeezeboxes electronics are still being built at the
> sane factory as they were when it was Slim-branded. No changes to the
> quality at all...
>

As Logitech Director of Product Marketing we need to believe you , but
the difference that I noticed on 2 boxes was not just a logo and
different power supply.

On old one were wrote : Designed and manufactured in Mountain View ,
California , USA

On new one : Made in China

I just really hope that the internal parts is the same ...


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2007-06-12 20:20:15 UTC
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7eva;208456 Wrote:
> As Logitech Director of Product Marketing we need to believe you , but
> the difference that I noticed on 2 boxes was not just a logo and
> different power supply.
>
> On old one were wrote : Designed and manufactured in Mountain View ,
> California , USA
>
> On new one : Made in China
>
> I just really hope that the internal parts is the same ...

The PCB assemblies are built in China, and have been since SB2. Until
recently we did Squeezebox mechanical assembly, test, and packaging in
California. That is now done in China also, but the boards are still
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Ian_F
2007-06-12 20:27:28 UTC
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7eva;208456 Wrote:
> As Logitech Director of Product Marketing we need to believe you , but
> the difference that I noticed on 2 boxes was not just a logo and
> different power supply.
>
> On old one were wrote : Designed and manufactured in Mountain View ,
> California , USA
>
> On new one : Made in China
>
> I just really hope that the internal parts is the same ...
>
>
> BTW , I ordered mine SB3 via slim devices web site just a few weeks ago
> and it's came with slim devices logo on SB but with logitech remote
> control :)
>
> Attached a few pictures :

Can you post equivalent pictures for the new logitech squeezebox
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JimC
2007-06-09 17:15:41 UTC
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Skunk;207820 Wrote:
> ...Stamping a plain white industrial sized logo on a nice black anodized
> aluminum cover _is_ rather like droppings on a freshly washed black
> Bentley...

For the record, it is not white -- it is simply anodized aluminum. The
Slim Devices version used a color film over the aluminum, while the
Logitech version is anodized in black. The contrast is slightly higher
on the Logitech version as the black is deeper and the surface is a bit
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2007-06-09 18:14:53 UTC
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Skunk;207820 Wrote:
> Is there really anyone here who thinks S.D. could have operated
> independently forever?

Why not? They drove the leading edge of network players for several
years, with steady (and sometimes rapid) improvements.

I bought my most recent (wired) SB3s for $200 each, and I assume Slim
make a profit. Will Logitech ever sell a SB for $200? With their vast
resources they should be able to - much more able to than SD - but will
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2007-06-09 20:27:43 UTC
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> Why not? They drove the leading edge of network players for several
> years, with steady (and sometimes rapid) improvements.
>

I meant in retrospect it seems like an acquisition was inevitable, due
to the buzz surrounding slim devices.

Thanks for the clarification JimC. Even if we are not always right, I
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2007-06-09 08:11:52 UTC
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jonheal wrote:
> Such whining over a brand name I haven't heard since high school!
>
> I mean who gives a sh1t what it sounds like, right?!? If it's got an
> ugly logo or if the ugly logo is 1mm too tall, toss the piece of
> crap!!!
>
> Are you the same people that brutalized your fellow students if they
> weren't wearing the correct brand of jeans?
>

Of course we care what it sounds like and we care what it looks like.
Billions of dollars are spent on marketing and advertising to build up
brand names to communicate just the right type of lifestyle. This money
isn't wasted, these things matter to most people even if it is on a
subconscious level. In fact, people who are completely immune to this
kind of thing are probably psychologically abnormal, I'm thinking of
autism (but IANAP).

Thankfully most people who say they're not affected by marketing,
advertising and brands are just suffering from a lack of self
knowledge... :)

Regards,
Peter
JimC
2007-06-09 00:35:25 UTC
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Michael Herger;207676 Wrote:
> > This is definitely going to hurt sales. Who'd buy a Transporter for
> > $2000 with that logo?
>
> Has anybody ever seen a Transporter with a Logitech logo?
>
> Michael

There isn't one.


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2007-06-09 02:43:36 UTC
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dem, don't know what you've been smoking, but I want some... It doesn't
remotely look like bird droppings. Maybe the Logitech logo could
function as a Rorschach inkblot test ;-)

Maybe I'm a weirdo, but I like the Logitech logo. Eh, it even rhymes
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Michael Herger
2007-06-09 08:30:49 UTC
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> There isn't one.

I know, but I didn't dare saying ;-)

BTW: logitech.ch doesn't feature the Transporter at all. Won't you sell it
over here?

Michael
Mitch Harding
2007-06-08 17:40:18 UTC
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I would, if I had a spare $2k to spend. The logo change has had no impact
on my desire to own a Transporter.

On 6/8/07, Peter <landen-slimp-U7YAb5qxwZbz+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> DrNic wrote:
> > Ian_F;207460 Wrote:
> >
> >> Looks like the sun and the moon? Albeit drawn by a young child ;)
> >>
> >
> > I'm gutted that my Black SB3 will have this logo on - this is the first
> > picture I have seen of its new branding.
> > Snobbery - maybe, but it just looks shite (plus all my others are
> > originals!)
> > I would even have been happy with "Slim Devices" with "A Logitech
> > Company" underneath like the logo on the homepage.
> > One thing though - there better not be any power supply issues... :)
> >
>
> Or a new logitech sub-brand. "Logitech Audiophile Series", and drop the
> sun & the moon...
>
> This is definitely going to hurt sales. Who'd buy a Transporter for
> $2000 with that logo?
>
> Regards,
> Peter
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jonheal
2007-06-08 21:00:31 UTC
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DrNic;207501 Wrote:
> I'm gutted that my Black SB3 will have this logo on - this is the first
> picture I have seen of its new branding.
> Snobbery - maybe, but it just looks shite (plus all my others are
> originals!)
> I would even have been happy with "Slim Devices" with "A Logitech
> Company" underneath like the logo on the homepage.
> One thing though - there better not be any power supply issues... :)
>
> Nic
>
> PS: when is the website going to reflect the while brand change?

Gutted! Wow! You take your branding seriously!

I happen to like Logitech's logo. Clearly, it was created by a
designer, and with all due respect to Sean and Company, I suspect the
Slim Devices logo was an in-house job. (Could be wrong, of course.) The
Logitech logo, visually, is a nice blend of whimsy and
&#8220;techy.&#8221; Proportionally, it's nice and "actively" balanced,
with a center of attention at a good "thirds" point. I also like the way
the logo is positioned on the aluminum bezel at a point that equates to
the proportion of aluminum to plastic on the face of the unit as a
whole.

I'm sure the "whiteness" of the logo in the photo is due to camera
flash.

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2007-06-09 09:46:50 UTC
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jonheal;207725 Wrote:
> Gutted! Wow! You take your branding seriously!
>
> I happen to like Logitech's logo. Clearly, it was created by a
> designer, and with all due respect to Sean and Company, I suspect the
> Slim Devices logo was an in-house job. (Could be wrong, of course.) The
> Logitech logo, visually, is a nice blend of whimsy and “techy.”
> Proportionally, it's nice and "actively" balanced, with a center of
> attention at a good "thirds" point. I also like the way the logo is
> positioned on the aluminum bezel at a point that equates to the
> proportion of aluminum to plastic on the face of the unit as a whole.
>
> I'm sure the "whiteness" of the logo in the photo is due to camera
> flash.
>
> Good job, Sean and Company!!

Hi

You obviously take your logo's very seriously. Its not that branding is
paramount, when we all know full well that how the thing sounds is most
important. I might reserve a little scepticism about the take-over
until I can see that the long term road map hasn't been completely
re-written by Logitech in favour of cheap, poor quality products with
below par customer service.
There is a reason that the Transporter doesn't have the Logitech logo
on the front, no one would seriously spend that amount of cash on a
product with that branding so prominent - and there is no argument
there I'm afraid. So why can't that transfer down the product line a
little?
I'm not against Logitech staking claim to their new baby, but (as per
my post) something a little less "in yer face"?

Regards,

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seanadams
2007-06-07 19:00:46 UTC
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I have been testing a bunch of different Phihong supplies here. I am
having difficulty reproducing the issue, but I don't know if the ones I
have on hand are exactly representative of the ones you have. If I
deliberately wiggle the plug around quite hard for a few _minutes_ I
can sometimes make it reset, but it's not easy to do and I can't
identify a particular way of manipulating the connection that causes
it. I measured all of the diameters and everything is the same as the
Unifive plug to the best I can measure. There is obviously a difference
in the shape at the tip of the plug, and the phihong plug is longer, but
it's not clear to me how this could affect connectivity. I also cut open
a plug and the internal structure / soldering appears quite robust so I
don't think it is due to flexing of the molded part of the plug.

I noticed that there is a clicking feel as the connector is pushed in
the last millimeter or so. Try _not_ pushing the connector quite all
the way - i.e. just before you feel that detent. Can you then still
make it reset by wiggling it around? If anyone has a particularly
flaky connector, we would like to replace it ASAP and get the old one
back from you so that we can see what causes it. In the mean time we'll
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Furry
2007-06-07 21:08:03 UTC
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seanadams Wrote:
> If I deliberately wiggle the plug around quite hard for a few _minutes_
> I can sometimes make it reset, but it's not easy to do and I can't
> identify a particular way of manipulating the connection that causes
> it.

On the one I've got, its not really difficult to cause power
interruption / reset, by wiggling.

seanadams Wrote:
> I measured all of the diameters and everything is the same as the
> Unifive plug to the best I can measure. There is obviously a difference
> in the shape at the tip of the plug, and the phihong plug is longer, but
> it's not clear to me how this could affect connectivity.

Did you measure the inner diameter of the centre hole? I suspect that
even a small difference could cause this problem. I think that the
plug I've got perhaps doesn't 'grip' as well, it feels slack, as if the
centre conductor diameter is too great. Or maybe its the outer
conductor... its very difficult to tell.

seanadams Wrote:
> I noticed that there is a clicking feel as the connector is pushed in
> the last millimeter or so. Try _not_ pushing the connector quite all
> the way - i.e. just before you feel that detent.

Its difficult to tell whether there are one or two detent points, and
whether or not power reliably connects at either, but I think most of
the time no power connects at the first detent.

Actually, I'm a bit wary of repeatedly applying and removing the power,
and causing intermittent full connection and disconnection and also bad
(high resistance) connection (causes flickering display, noise in
output etc.), because of possible damage to the SB.

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2007-06-07 21:36:51 UTC
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Furry;207462 Wrote:
>
> Did you measure the inner diameter of the centre hole? I suspect that
> even a small difference could cause this problem.

The nominal inside diameter is 2.5mm. I didn't have any proper way to
measure it so I used a 3/32 drill bit (2.38125 mm) to "feel" for a
difference between the two connectors. It was hard to tell any
difference but it felt like there might actually be more play with the
Unifive one. The outside I measured with digital calipers and any
difference was barely detectable - not more than a couple hundredths of
a mm. This is the best I could do with what I have on hand - we'll find
out more when our mechanical guys look at it. I don't know why it
should be that sensitive - it is after all a pretty simple design that
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2007-06-11 19:46:59 UTC
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Furry;207400 Wrote:
> A couple more, of the Logitech SB3:

Another picture of the Logitech Squeezebox, see Logitech site: looks a
bit better than on the photos of Furry:


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2007-06-11 20:00:20 UTC
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stroom;208229 Wrote:
> Another picture of the Logitech Squeezebox, see Logitech site: looks a
> bit better than on the photos of Furry:

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2007-06-08 10:40:06 UTC
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Furry;207166 Wrote:
> I've just received my new SB3, my 2nd:
>
> 1. Packaging has changed, now smaller box etc., and quite funky.
> 2. Logos are now Logitech (my first SB3 has SlimDevices logos).
> 3. Its an all black one, which looks nice.
> 4. Firmware version is 81.
> 5. Dodgy power connection.
>
> I think 5. is something to do with the PCB connector, rather than an
> intermittent connection in the wall-wart's DC plug / cable. More
> investigation required (will try 1st SB3's PSU with it). Still, its OK
> if I don't touch it...
>

I got my Logitech SB3 yesterday and the power connection seems to be
fine on mine. I am however having all sorts of problems keeping the
music playing without some odd "connection reset by remote host"
errors.

I am wondering if I should have not installed Slimserver 6.5.3 beta and
just used the disk which came with the unit?

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Gildahl
2007-06-08 11:14:54 UTC
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That new logo is awful. I don't know. I have Logitech logos on my
Harmony remote and my computer keyboard/mouse and never thought twice
about them, but this one for some reason really bugs me. The old logo
seemed understated--like the logos on all my sound equipment; and this
one seems in your face. I agree with someone else that was hoping for
a "Slim Devices...a Logitech Company" or a smaller logo in the corner
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Craig, James (IT)
2007-06-08 11:18:03 UTC
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I have to say I actually think it looks OK in monochrome on the front of
the Squeezebox.
The colour version in the web interface is a bit horrible though.

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2007-06-08 11:19:29 UTC
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I recently borrowed an older SB3 from someone (who'd not used it for a
while) and after I installed 6.5.2 the splash screen changed to
Logitech, so it seems to be a auto-firmware update that comes with the
SlimServer software.

My new SB3 turned up earlier this week. I gave my mate his SB3 back and
he phoned up last night saying "What the hell have you done to my SB3?
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Michael Herger
2007-06-08 16:06:02 UTC
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> That new logo is awful. I don't know. I have Logitech logos on my
> Harmony remote and my computer keyboard/mouse and never thought twice
> about them, but this one for some reason really bugs me.

I think I'm going to sell my "original" SB3s on ebay. After all I've read
here I guess you'll pay good money for it, won't you? :-)

Michael
Mitch Harding
2007-06-08 16:16:17 UTC
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Yeah, no kidding. :) Maybe I can sell my "classic" SBs and replace them
with new ones, with money to spare!

On 6/8/07, Michael Herger <slim-b/3Ok5TEIU2sTnJN9+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> > That new logo is awful. I don't know. I have Logitech logos on my
> > Harmony remote and my computer keyboard/mouse and never thought twice
> > about them, but this one for some reason really bugs me.
>
> I think I'm going to sell my "original" SB3s on ebay. After all I've read
> here I guess you'll pay good money for it, won't you? :-)
>
> Michael
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Nostromo
2007-06-08 16:34:37 UTC
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Mitch Harding;207660 Wrote:
> Yeah, no kidding. :) Maybe I can sell my "classic" SBs and replace
> them
> with new ones, with money to spare!
>
>

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2007-06-08 16:33:40 UTC
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I don't mind the Logitech logo, I just wish it was more subtle, like the
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blessingx
2007-06-08 16:38:23 UTC
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The logo is perfectly fine, and its better looking on an all black
version than the silver/black and silver/white Squeezeboxes with the
old 'logo' if you ask me. I just don't know if you need the logo to
appear twice on power up.


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nicketynick
2007-06-08 13:01:26 UTC
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stormy;207569 Wrote:
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> I am wondering if I should have not installed Slimserver 6.5.3 beta and
> just used the disk which came with the unit?
>
> Mike

They're shipping with a CD now? !!


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fredbloggs
2007-06-08 13:07:04 UTC
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Don't think I got a CD in mine, just downloaded


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bephillips
2007-06-08 21:01:53 UTC
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I agree that the new logitech logo on the SB3 is too in-your-face for
something that sits in my living room. I much prefer the understated
and classy slim devices logo on my black SB3 with brushed aluminum
front.

Maybe this could be toned down some in future runs? Perhaps loose the
logo, or a much smaller logo, the same size of and in line with
logitech, maybe all of this a little smaller, or a lower contrast font
color, or like mine shiny logo on brushed backround, probably look very
classy in black.


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