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iPeng on iPad - How should it look like?
pippin
2010-01-28 08:34:13 UTC
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I do have some ideas of my own, but they are still in fledgling state.

So what do you think: How should we fill that big screen?

My first takes:

- Landscape mode. OK, No-brainer. Apple requires this.
- Playlist and NowPlaying always visible. Simple in Landscape mode, how
to do in portrait
- Big Artwork: Always or as a "screen saver"? How Big? Bet none of you
have 768x768 artwork. iTunes provides up to 600x600, is this the size?
- Players permanently accessible. How?
- Visualizers?
...?


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Kim.T
2010-01-28 08:53:29 UTC
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Silly question - could we test the App on a MacBook to be able to come
with input ?


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pippin
2010-01-28 09:02:40 UTC
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Kim.T;511163 Wrote:
> Silly question - could we test the App on a MacBook to be able to come
> with input ?

No :(
It's an iPhone App.
I was even, for a moment, thinking about making a big-screen version of
the web-skin plugin to test out things...


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Chunkywizard
2010-01-28 09:56:23 UTC
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I agree, 600x600 artwork to match iTunes (and also albumartexchange.com)
would seem to be sensible.

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jtf
2010-01-28 13:50:09 UTC
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Dedicated buttons for play, pause, next, random, etc on the same page.

Take advantage of the real estate to put everything on one screen
instead of having to swipe.


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bluegaspode
2010-01-28 16:05:14 UTC
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can only recommend http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups for testing
:)
It also contains IPhone Backgrounds and you can try it online ...

5min result ...


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linvale
2010-01-28 16:08:27 UTC
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Certainly the display of good sized cover art is the number one appeal.
600x600 is the standard at album art exchange - which is where I first
go to seek covers these days. Perhaps we'll also one day get the ability
to incorporate other artwork into a dynamic "now playing" screensaver
(eg back cover, liner notes, artist photos) Add something like cover
flow album selector to take advantage of the touch interface. You might
consider using the remaining real estate on the screen to show
potentially; lyrics, bio, next song on playlist as well as basic
controls. Seems to me the combination of eye-candy and a fast intuitive
touch interface would be very attractive. Thanks Pippin. (if you did
update the iPeng skin for SBS using a landscape mode etc - I'd be using
it already - only wish I was smart enough to help with code).


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jrfuda
2010-01-28 16:12:36 UTC
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How about making it EXACTLY like the squeezbox touch interface - look
and function, so a new interface will not have to be learned. Also keep
a look that looks like the existing iphone/itouch interface for
continuity with those folks.


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pippin
2010-01-28 16:26:03 UTC
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jrfuda;511261 Wrote:
> How about making it EXACTLY like the squeezbox touch interface - look
> and function,

Over.my.dead.body!

jrfuda;511261 Wrote:
> Also keep a look that looks like the existing iphone/itouch interface
> for continuity with those folks.
No what? That's pretty much the opposite of your first statement.
Plus, iPod can do waaaay less than SBs so little help here.


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Sike
2010-01-28 16:54:56 UTC
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Hi Pippin

After you great work on the iPhone, I am sure that you will come up
with something great.

I am still exited about the iPAD, even if it just lies around the
sitting room to control my arsenal of Squeezeboxes.

please make it fast and inituitive. With so much screen real estate we
can have album art and syncing and playlist editing and .....

Sike


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MelonMonkey
2010-01-28 17:34:08 UTC
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Just an FYI, 600x600 is about the mid-size of my artwork. Generally I
only have smaller for things that I have been too lazy to scan when I
haven't been able to find a larger size. I prefer artwork that's over
1000x1000 and some of my tracks have closer to 2000x2000 artwork.

You'd probably do well to have support for something around 600x600 but
also offer support for larger in the case of a screen saver.

Copying the Squeezebox Touch interface is not the way to go.

I'd love to see multiple modes of picking albums, including a list
similar to the current iPeng (but larger) and of course an album cover
wall, even if it didn't have adjustable cover size.

You should probably strongly focus on making sure that you can access
everything from either orientation. Forcing someone to turn the device
is not a good idea. You can see this in the iPhone's own iPod app where
turning the device is the only way to do cover flow - and it's the only
thing you can do in that orientation. The new iPod app on the iPad
looks a lot better than any of Apple's previous efforts, but it
shouldn't be to difficult to make something even more spectacular for
iPeng.


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Phil Leigh
2010-01-28 17:53:26 UTC
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MelonMonkey;511282 Wrote:
>
> Also. A lot of people will use an iPod or iPad instead of a Squeezebox
> as soon as iPeng has playback support. Imagine the iPad in a cradle,
> even if a custom one to mount it horizontally, connected to your stereo
> system. That's a pretty nice Squeezebox Touch right there.

yeauch! - oh no it isn't. iPad = great controller (potentially) but NOT
a great playback device. At least, not while it runs an Apple operating
system...


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andyg
2010-01-28 17:56:36 UTC
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FYI please don't go crazy on your album art, adding 10MB huge scanned
files to your tags like I have been seeing lately. :) This can cause
some problems with the scanner.


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pippin
2010-01-28 18:13:29 UTC
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MelonMonkey;511282 Wrote:
>
> The new iPod app on the iPad looks a lot better than any of Apple's
> previous efforts, but it shouldn't be to difficult to make something
> even more spectacular for iPeng.
>

Hm.. I found that just a little bit too close to my well hated iTunes.

But I did get a few _really_ cool ideas from some of the other apps.
Just don't know whether they are feasible, yet.

Plus the general layout (categories on the side, content next to it) is
probably the way to go.

@Andy (and all):
We
need.more.visuals.in.SBS!

I want artist artwork!
I want more than one cover per album!

@Community:
We need a good Lyrics plugin. Yes, I know there is one. But it only
uses one source, which is one with doubtful legal status.
Plus it doesn't have any CLI support so I can't get any info out of it
for iPeng.
Plus I can't replicate it's functionality 1:1 without getting thrown
out of the App Store.
We should have a plugin that looks for Lyrics on various locations
among them at least a few licensed ones like Lyric Wiki.


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andyg
2010-01-28 18:25:16 UTC
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>
> @Andy (and all):
> We
> need.more.visuals.in.SBS!
>
> I want artist artwork!
> I want more than one cover per album!
>

Agreed, need to get to my "rethink artwork" bug at some point.


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jtf
2010-01-28 18:29:12 UTC
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Another thing I'd like to see Pippin - an option for big text that flows
the whole width of the screen.
One unfortunate thing about the iPad is the inability to dock it in
landscape. That would be nice to do if you want it docked and playing
music - and if the display was large enough to read across the room.

Since it can't multitask - what about the ability to show a slideshow
from a selected album on your iPad while simultaneously showing the
iPeng/now playing info? Maybe the slideshow on the bottom and the iPeng
content on top in portrait mode?

BTW, it goes without saying, but iPeng is great!

Jeff


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panos_k75
2010-01-28 21:47:25 UTC
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Look at itunes and the way it looks on the iPad...you can't go wrong
with that, at least visually.


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mortslim
2010-01-28 22:00:05 UTC
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Rather than worry about visuals, my sugggestion is on adding
functionality.

One feature on the LCD screen of my squeezeboxes which I find to be
most helpful that adds to the listening experience is that when on the
"Now Playing" screen, by clicking to the right, there is a new screen
which adds choices to listen to the same or similar artists or the same
or similar song or similar playlists on the other music apps, such as on
Slacker, on Last FM, on Pandora and on Rhapsody.

This powerful feature allows me to explore and discover music from the
competing services. Each service has its own take on what it considers
to be similar music and they all interpret what is "similar"
differently. I get a lot more choices with this feature.

I would love to have this feature added to iPeng.


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mortslim
2010-01-28 22:31:48 UTC
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Uh, oh, I have to apologize. I played around with iPeng just now and
realized that it already has the feature I suggested. I guess this just
shows that I shouldn't assume I can skip an app's help menu. It has
good info !

All you have to do is hold your finger on the Now Playing screen and a
new screen pops up that has the features I requested in my prior post.

iPeng is better and better all the time !!!


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Gerry123
2010-01-29 04:30:04 UTC
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I know I'm really old and everything but I just don't get the concept of
an iPad.
They say that touch is the way to go and for people with pianist
fingers I guess that's right but if you have sausages for fingers as I
have, touch just doesn't make any sense. I love iPeng on the iPod and
all that as it's a million times better than the SBC for a remote
control but I still struggle hitting the right area of the screen.
I hasten to add that this is not the fault of the iPod or iPeng just my
stumpy fingers and I'm not aware of a firmware update that can change
that :-)

Now, I want a remote control that can fit in my pocket. Take it out to
change tracks etc etc. With an iPad it's still got to be left somewhere
lieing around and be found and picked up to do anything, might as well
go to your desktop to do it.

There's also the fact that are you seriously gonna walk around the high
street with an iPad in your hands. It wouldn't last 2 minutes, not to
mention the wazerk factor (stronger words censored). At least an
iPod/phone can be made to look quite discreet.

I'm sorry, but I'll be sticking to what I've got, which incidentally
works a charm.

Gerry.

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parfour
2010-01-28 17:21:21 UTC
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Go on i'll stick my head up to be shot at!
i have been having the ipad debate today in the office and before i get
blasted

* the iPad looks sweet (although expensive)
* iPeng is remarkable on the App Store and iPhone - i use it


What i would like is a port of the iPeng app to either Android or other
similar open o/s. My wife has an android app on her Hero for control of
the squeezeboxen but it is not in the same league. The iPad will change
the market even if it means smaller cheaper tablet style devices with a
"mobile" os such as android...now those devices i would buy and
multiples of them....


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archinaut
2010-01-28 23:02:00 UTC
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With the extra screen space of the iPad it would be really nice to have
the ability to choose different windows or information for the
left/right or top/bottom halves of the screen. This way, for example,
you could choose to keep a Now Playing window with album art on one side
and either a file browser or track list or album review on the other.


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pichonCalavera
2010-01-28 23:32:01 UTC
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The iPad sure opens up the possibilities since it has more screen
estate.

The main focus should be of course to act as a remote control, so
browsing for albums and such should receive an overhaul, but it opens
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dave77
2010-01-29 11:11:16 UTC
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pichonCalavera;511384 Wrote:
> The iPad sure opens up the possibilities since it has more screen
> estate.

It's still quite low res though, 1024x768

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=511255&postcount=6

I like this one, with the 'Next Playing' on the right, maybe with the
right panel also being used to navigate 'My Music' to add new songs to
the playlist whilst the left 'Now Playing' is always displayed


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Espen
2010-01-29 14:48:03 UTC
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dave77;511465 Wrote:
> It's still quite low res though, 1024x768
>

Well, the pixel count still increases from approx 153k to 786k. So
there is room for a lot of good stuff.


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panos_k75
2010-01-29 16:59:52 UTC
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Don't reinvent the wheel..there are so many beautiful and practical
music interfaces out there on that screen size. Just pick one and use it
to built on it. Unless you want to hire a graphic/interface designer...


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erland
2010-01-29 17:30:31 UTC
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I think it would be a good idea to dedicate the half of the screen to a
Now Playing screen and the other half to a navigation/control screen.
Possibly also a screen saver mode when it's placed in the docking
station a a few meters away from where I'm sitting.

Things that would be nice when used as screen saver in the docking
station:
- Album art, large is good but I have a feeling it doesn't have to be a
lot larger than it is on the touch.
- Now playing information with larger font, artist, album, track.
- YouTube video of currently playing track (only video, not audio)
- Artist artwork, from LastFM or something similar. It's accessible
through Custom Scan already today.
- Big clock
- Preferably the the possibility to select what "view" you like to show
in different areas of the screen

When I have it in the hand it would also be nice to from the Now
Playing screen have access to:
- Play, pause, stop, fwd/rew controls (and other things needed)
- Easily access to presets/favorites
- Biography/AlbumReview plugin information about currently playing
artist/album
- Lyrics
- Shortcuts to configurable menus (similar to bottom toolbar on iPeng
on iPhone)
- Current playlist
- Track details of currently playing track

When navigating the library, we of course want things like:
- Playlist creation with drag&drop
- Information about currently browsed artist/album, compare with Custom
Browse page headers in web UI
- It feels like it might be good to use half the screen for navigation
menus and the other half for artist/album information or possibly a Now
Playing screen.

If something isn't supported in SBS and you need JSON support and can't
get Logitech to implement it, let us know.

I'm getting more and more exited when I think about the possibilities,
this is going to be great. Now, I'm just worried that I won't be able to
get a a 3G version in Sweden until after the summer due to some stupid
arrangements with 3G operators.


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pippin
2010-01-29 17:42:37 UTC
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erland;511595 Wrote:
>
> If something isn't supported in SBS and you need JSON support and can't
> get Logitech to implement it, let us know.
>
Lyrics (see my comment above).
Lyrics
Lyrics
Artist artwork (will have a look at custom Scan).
>
> I'm getting more and more exited when I think about the possibilities,
> this is going to be great. Now, I'm just worried that I won't be able to
> get a a 3G version in Sweden until after the summer due to some stupid
> arrangements with 3G operators.

Why do you want the 3G version? Do you plan to take this out of the
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andyg
2010-01-29 17:55:49 UTC
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pippin;511598 Wrote:
> Lyrics (see my comment above).
> Lyrics
> Lyrics
>

Lyrics are supported in the database already if you have a lyrics tag,
but I guess you mean automatic lyrics fetch? The problem is legality
around this, that's why Logitech can't implement it.

>
> Artist artwork (will have a look at custom Scan).
>

How would this work anyway? Are you talking about automatic linking to
some online artwork, like the Flickr plugin does? Same legal problems
for us to implement it, other than the Flickr way.


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pippin
2010-01-29 18:00:57 UTC
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andyg;511605 Wrote:
> Lyrics are supported in the database already if you have a lyrics tag,
> but I guess you mean automatic lyrics fetch? The problem is legality
> around this, that's why Logitech can't implement it.
>
...which is also why I can't...
I would want Karaoke tags in the Lyrics, too, btw :)
>
> How would this work anyway? Are you talking about automatic linking to
> some online artwork, like the Flickr plugin does? Same legal problems
> for us to implement it, other than the Flickr way.
Well, probably more reasons for a plugin...
If I could just get an artwork for an artist from the server, that
would already be nice... if it's not there, I just display some generic
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MelonMonkey
2010-01-29 18:54:52 UTC
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Implementation of a feature isn't illegal unless you're thinking about
ripping off copyright holders. There are plenty of companies out there
ready to license data. Cost is and will always be the main factor.

Logitech has plenty of contacts and money to work on some additional
licensing deals.

That said, it's easy enough to get lyrics into your tags ahead of time.
But yes, I can see the appeal to fetching them and artwork on-demand,
since after all this is a connected device.

ITunes sucks for many reasons. Its UI, when browsing local music, is
not one of those. There is no music management app for any platform
with as much functionality nor as usable a UI. I don't necessarily
think it's the right UI for a media pad, nor does it make the best
playback UI.

Whatever gets implemented, just make sure that there is a way to have
the screen filled completely with an album art grid. In other words, if
there's a split pane showing Now Playing make it able to be turned
off/on. Also make sure there's a Now Playing that focuses solely on
what's now playing and possibly some info of what's coming next, but not
the previous grid navigation. In other words, this doesn't need to be a
rehash of the web interface. Because one can already hit the web
interface if that's what they want. :)

I'd have no problems paying $20 for a new version of iPeng if it
supported playback on top of all this. And I suspect thousands of other
people feel the same way. Imagine how many people are out there,
currently without Squeezebox hardware that might be interested in being
able to use iPeng as a player along with a server installation? No one
is going to convince the mass-market that the audio quality out of the
iPod or iPad isn't good enough. Most listeners here don't have the rest
of the equipment to ever notice a difference either.

I've already got 2 classic SB3 and a radio on the way, and I can still
appreciate and desire iPeng with playback support for use on either
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erland
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>
> I'd have no problems paying $20 for a new version of iPeng if it
> supported playback on top of all this.
>
I'd have no problems paying $20 for a iPad version of iPeng without
playback.

MelonMonkey;511629 Wrote:
>
> And I suspect thousands of other people feel the same way. Imagine how
> many people are out there, currently without Squeezebox hardware that
> might be interested in being able to use iPeng as a player along with a
> server installation? No one is going to convince the mass-market that
> the audio quality out of the iPod or iPad isn't good enough. Most
> listeners here don't have the rest of the equipment to ever notice a
> difference either.
>
I'm not sure about playback on iPad. It's very useful as a Squeezebox
replacement when you have it in the docking station but is it really
going to be that useful when the iPad isn't in the dock ?

The iPhone or iPod Touch is completely different because you can keep
them in the pocket with headphones. I'm imagining that I'll want to use
some other application on the iPad if I don't have it in the dock and as
I've understood it, everyone assumes it won't support background
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linvale
2010-01-30 01:04:11 UTC
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Following this for 24 hrs and seeing the number of good ideas is very
exciting. Reading the dialog between Pippin and Erland and thinking of
the possibilities if these two combined forces (with the significant
improvements that seem to be promised with v7.5 / 8.0 )to produce the
plugin/app that delivered on just some of these features makes me
wonder what Logitechs next product after the Touch might be. Clearly
there are a lot of fans of iPeng who love the idea of a bigger, better
interface and the concept of a great media player front end for the best
digital audio players so far produced. This would catapult Logitech
ahead of any other players out there IMHO. Sign me up.


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>
> Why do you want the 3G version? Do you plan to take this out of the
> house?
I'm not sure, it just felt like adding $130 to get 3G would be worth it
just to be safe for the future. I'd hate to buy a Wifi and a month later
realize that I really need 3G. It could be nice when traveling instead
of surfing on the small iPhone screen or bringing a separate laptop.

I don't really need a 3G subscription from the beginning, it would be
enough to just know that I can add it later if needed.


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>
> Artist artwork (will have a look at custom Scan).
>
It requires scanning with the LastFM scanning module in Custom Scan and
I think it requires Custom Browse to access the cached image files.

After that you can use URL's like:
http://x.x.x.x:9000/plugins/CustomBrowse/custombrowse_imagecachefile.png?type=artist&section=artists&artist=446

If we really want this I think it would be pretty easy to implement a
solution that didn't require scanning, I just implemented it in Custom
Scan because I needed other information (tags and similar artists) from
LastFM which I had to store locally to make it possible to use in Custom
Browse and SQL Playlist.

By the way, similar artists would be nice in iPeng iPad too.


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archinaut;511383 Wrote:
> With the extra screen space of the iPad it would be really nice to have
> the ability to choose different windows or information for the
> left/right or top/bottom halves of the screen. This way, for example,
> you could choose to keep a Now Playing window with album art on one side
> and either a file browser or track list or album review on the other.

Thats what i would like. Split it into 2 or 3 panes, with a now playing
area, browser area and playlist/sync menu.

Cant say i am ever likely to own an iPad though.


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2010-01-29 08:59:28 UTC
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I'm not really in the market for iStuff.

But as others sort of suggest:
Think dashboards.
Make a number of layouts with 1, 2, 3, 4,5 or more "frames" and a
number of contents to fill in them: now playing, browse artist, similar
artists, artist's flickr pics, lyrics, You name it. Heck, make an API to
let it posible for others to develop stuff. Ok, I'm probably in over my
head now, but you get the drift.

It may not be very iStuff-like to allow customization, but I think this
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gharris999
2010-01-30 01:48:13 UTC
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pippin;511265 Wrote:
> Over.my.dead.body!
As a long time iPeng user and fan, I agree. The iThangs (phone, touch,
pad) will do many things differently than the SBTouch. Why hobble the
UI?

Stuff I would like to see:

Currently, in the SBS webUI, URLs in COMMENTs are automatically parsed
and rendered into links. It would be nice if iPeng could do this too
and allow Safari to open the link. This ability goes way back to the
6.0 days, I believe.

E.g:

Code:
--------------------

REM COMMENT "Bauer, Marion Eugénie (b Walla Walla, WA, 15 Aug 1882; d South Hadley, MA, 9 Aug 1955). American composer, teacher and writer on music.; http://www.oxfordmusiconline.com/subscriber/article/grove/music/02353?q=Bauer&search=quick&pos=3&_start=1#firsthit; Orchestral Works; Ambache Chamber Orchestra and Ensemble; "

--------------------


Also currently in the webUI, if a COMMENT or LYRIC tag contains html,
the webUI renders this correctly and, again, allows the user to click on
and open any links embedded.

E.g.:

Code:
--------------------

comment[6]: LYRICS=<a href=http://squeezeserver/t_Post%20Modern%20Contemporary/Tenney,%20J/bio.html target=_blank>
<h3>Tenney, James (Carl)</h3>
<p>(b Silver City, NM, 10 Aug 1934; d Valencia, CA, 24 Aug 2006). American composer, theorist, educator and performer.</p>
</a>

--------------------

These features were initially broken in the 7.0 'new default' SC skin
when Michael started putting it together. I think it was almost a
one-liner for him to re-enable this. Hopefully, it wouldn't be much
harder for you to put the same functionality into iPeng. But I don't
really have a clue, really, about what sort of a coding effort I'm
asking for here.


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epoch1970
2010-01-30 02:27:44 UTC
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4 pages... I wont read it all.
Just an idea, could be out of fashion, but why not a (random)
visualizer ? I had a friend who wanted to reinject into itunes the music
coming to a player just for the sake of running g-force or somesuch...
This machine probably has the juice.


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2010-01-30 02:37:38 UTC
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gharris999;511755 Wrote:
>
> Currently, in the SBS webUI, URLs in COMMENTs are automatically parsed
> and rendered into links. It would be nice if iPeng could do this too
> and allow Safari to open the link. This ability goes way back to the
> 6.0 days, I believe.
>
This reminds me of another thing. It would be great to have links from
Artists/Albums pages to things like LastFM, Wikipedia, allmusic.com,
Amazon.com. The Custom Browse web UI have this kind of links and they
work fairly well by just passing the artist name further to the correct
urls handled by these web providers.

When you click on a link Safari would be shown on half the screen and
the other half can keep showing Now Playing information.


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dsdreamer
2010-01-30 16:49:44 UTC
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Although there are a ton of things you could do, I would keeping to the
basic UI design you already have but with the swipe-away screens kept
visible in separate panels (especially the track progress toaster and
the playlist). I am less sure about keeping the devices/servers/sync
groups screen visible but I would consider it for landscape mode. On
the other hand, to avoid clutter and accidental key presses you might
want to keep it as a swipe-on screen.

Obviously, you would want to scale the various panels appropriately,
and give suitable room for album artwork.

The only thing I would like is for is for the album browsing screen to
use the screen real estate to show a *large* grid of album covers. I'd
like to see at least 24 album covers at once. It will be best if 100% of
the screen is used for a cover art grid when you are browsing for an
album to play. Otherwise keep to at least 2/3 of the screen in landscape
mode for the album art grid and allow drag-and-drop of an album onto the
playlist window taking up the other 1/3 of the space.


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pippin
2010-01-28 16:25:25 UTC
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linvale;511257 Wrote:
> (if you did update the iPeng skin for SBS using a landscape mode etc

? Doesn't that work anymore? Then SKIN used to have a landscape mode
(for the browse screens), it's the app that doesn't have that.


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"panos_k75" Wrote:
> Look at itunes and the way it looks on the iPad...you can't go wrong
> with that, at least visually.
Oh Yes, you can.
It looks like iTunes, my #1 hated software of all. Not going to happen.


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linvale
2010-01-30 18:59:29 UTC
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If you could emulate the interface of the Sooloos in terms of what is
supposed to be a fabulous way to browse albums the purchase of an entire
squeeze system, ipad and Ipeng would look like a bargain
http://www.meridian-audio.com/sooloos/


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epoch1970
2010-01-30 21:29:58 UTC
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I was looking at th cover size on iTunes Store, I thought it was larger
than 600x600 but this seems to be the size currently used. The rationale
behind this seems to be that a CD cover is 12cm square, about 4.73
inches.
At 100dpi you need 473 pixels square. 100 dpi is not much when
printing. I have a feeling that you could end up with a layout that
could make for a printable catalog of the library, and I believe 300 dpi
is more or less the baseline when printing in color ?

I liked the demo of the iphoto browser in iPad. It reminded me of an
itunes app I was using long ago, showing stacks of covers on the
desktop, clicking a cover was controlling play on itunes, and the
playlist itself was a stack of covers. Could be fun with
shake-for-random...

I still want SBS to offer better library browsability, ability to
insert new songs after an album (instead of right after what's playing),
ability to truncate the playlist at some point, ability to add server
actions (like sync, enter sleep, volume up...) between songs.

NB: since I don't have an ipod/phone, I only saw iPeng briefly. I don't
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pippin
2010-01-30 21:51:57 UTC
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>
> I liked the demo of the iphoto browser in iPad.
>
Me too. That's why I said I need Artist artwork. Go reckon :)
>
> ability to insert new songs after an album (instead of right after
> what's playing)
>
Like that one. Really. Have to remember, you don't want to file a
ticket on iPeng track? There's a component "iPad" to file tickets
against...
>
> NB: since I don't have an ipod/phone, I only saw iPeng briefly. I don't
> really know what it does already.

Ah, OK... Will file the ticket myself.
iPeng does none of your suggestions above right now, at least not
without CustomBrowse and DynamicPlaylist plugins.
You can see some screen shots on
www.penguinlovesmusic.com


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richardcarter
2010-02-17 12:32:42 UTC
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Coverflow - obvious one

Integration with API's - last.fm/myspace etc. etc. - details of artist,
gigs etc.

Something radical )) . for large music collections why not come up with
a completely radical interface for finding music, instead of the usual
list, thumb view. Something you can 'play' with and explore in a
visually appealing 'artistic' way:)

think multitouch experience, shapes, colours, movement, resizing,
attractors, repellants. These elements or 'data representations' can be
used in different combinations to find music. Could be used selecting
genre,year or year range, linking with online API's data to create links
to other artists and making suggestions.

Just think something a lot more could be done with a large multitouch
screen with animation etc.

Loads of ideas on here - http://visualizingmusic.com/page/2/ - may help
get a better understanding of what I am on about :)

and this is really nice to play with - http://www.fidgt.com/visualize


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twylie
2010-02-17 21:22:29 UTC
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I am definitely looking forward to the iPad for this and a few other
"control" apps I expect will be killer on the device.

Wired posted a video yesterday of how their app will look on the
device. The video is VERY cool and is actually running live code and
content. It may give you some different ideas for constructs and
design.

Just as their app is trying to redefine static/interactive content, I
think there is great opportunity to have a music application running on
the iPad that becomes very immersive. I can see where it could allow
the user to free roam music, musical connections, history, etc. all
within one tidy application.

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/the-wired-ipad-app-a-video-demonstration/


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jdoering
2010-02-19 03:36:55 UTC
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I initially thought I was completely disinterested in the iPad. While I
love my iPhone; I'm skeptical about such a closed platform for anything
that starts approaching a laptop replacement.

But after using my iPhone with iPeng and also as a remote for my Tivo
HD (I hate needing to aim line-of-sight IR) I realized that I'd probably
love an iPad as a sort of super-smart universal remote. Yeah I know
there are a bunch of devices in that category (Harmony, etc) but this
one would do more (real web browsing, etc in a pinch) and run
best-of-breed options like iPeng. Now all I need is someone to come out
with a good option for Wifi-to-IR conversion at a reasonable price with
a great iPhone app to go alon. I see that a few options exist but I
don't know if they meet this criteria.

Back to the point. One thing that would be good for the use case I'm
imagining would be quick switching between such remote apps. I don't
know if the iPhone/iPad development platform allows this but for me it
would be ideal to do it with hotlinks between apps rather than having to
exit to the main app screen and pick there (requiring me to keep them
sorted carefully for the right grouping, etc).

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trouty00
2010-02-19 13:02:09 UTC
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you could set it up completely like windows media player with the three
panels type environment (library, now playing artwork, playlist) but
rather than the traditional media player library options on the left the
user would select from a drop down what they want to show up in that
frame, ie favs, artists, napster, basically the same options as what you
get on the touch app with the quick options on the bottom and these can
be edited as like on the touch/iphone.

then have current now playing screen in the middle frame but instead of
swiping left and right you swipe up and down to get to the sync page,
then on the right hand side you can simply have a playlist.


when the user selects one of the options from the drop down on the left
panel the info shows up there,

then you can have a screensaver option which shows just the artwork or
maybe fanart.


also utilise any physical keys you can especially for the volume
control if it has them.

just a bit of brainstorming....


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guidovilla
2010-02-27 14:32:45 UTC
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Hi, please do not forget if possibile the people out here who don't have
album artwork, or lyrics, or other info related to the music they are
listening to.

The interface should be enjoyable also for these folks, without them
having too much screen real estate occupied by empty placeholders of
functionalities they cannot (or do not want to) use.

Bye,
Guido

PS: actually I speak for myself :) as I listen to a lot of classical
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mortslim
2010-02-27 18:40:47 UTC
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I like the flickr feature on iPeng such that I can hold a finger on the
Now Playing screen to bring up photos of the artist.

I also like the ability to go from one service e.g. last fm, then
holding a finger on the Now Playing screen to pick an alternative
service to hear the same song but in a different playlist.

I hope these two features are also in the iPad app for iPeng.


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ezkcdude
2010-03-12 16:46:03 UTC
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I ordered an iPad this morning. Whatever the iPeng app is, there has to
be a convincing case made to me that it does more than the SC web
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garym
2010-03-12 18:14:33 UTC
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ezkcdude;524547 Wrote:
> I ordered an iPad this morning. Whatever the iPeng app is, there has to
> be a convincing case made to me that it does more than the SC web
> interface. Otherwise, I'll just use that.

Funny, I'm just the opposite. I'm thinking about buying an iPAD just so
I can run a larger interface iPeng on it! (I'm a happy user of iPeng
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mortslim
2010-03-12 18:17:35 UTC
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ezkcdude;524547 Wrote:
> a convincing case

Ipeng gives so much more functionality to the system. It really makes
it a pleasure to discover and change music.

The web interface is doesn’t even come close.

What iPeng shows that the web interface doesn’t:

Playlist – list of songs in album or playlist – and can pick any of
them to play and to not play

Can synchronize squeezeboxes

Interactive services – a song playing from one app can be found on
another service very easily without having to start over – just like on
the squeezebox now playing screen itself. For example, a song found on
shoutcast can be found also on last.fm, Pandora, rhapsody and slacker
with one finger press. So then I can find the same song on the
alternative app and start an entirely new playlist or album very
quickly.

Bitrate info

Elapsed time and Time remaining

Flickr pictures of the artist


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> Ipeng gives so much more functionality to the system. It really makes
> it a pleasure to discover and change music.
>
> The web interface doesn’t even come close.
>
> What iPeng shows that the web interface doesn’t:
>
> Playlist – list of songs in album or playlist – and can pick any of
> them to play and to not play
>
> Can synchronize squeezeboxes
>
> Interactive services – a song playing from one app can be found on
> another service very easily without having to start over – just like on
> the squeezebox now playing screen itself. For example, a song found on
> shoutcast can be found also on last.fm, Pandora, rhapsody and slacker
> with one finger press. So then I can find the same song on the
> alternative app and start an entirely new playlist or album very
> quickly.
>
> Bitrate info
>
> Elapsed time and Time remaining
>
> Flickr pictures of the artist

Does iPeng do MusicIP mixes?


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2010-03-12 18:26:48 UTC
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ezkcdude;524547 Wrote:
> I ordered an iPad this morning. Whatever the iPeng app is, there has to
> be a convincing case made to me that it does more than the SC web
> interface. Otherwise, I'll just use that.
>
It's obvious that you haven't used iPeng or the other iPhone apps.


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2010-03-12 19:33:54 UTC
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erland;524580 Wrote:
> It's obvious that you haven't used iPeng or the other iPhone apps.

Is that a prerequisite?


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ezkcdude;524605 Wrote:
> Is that a prerequisite?

Yes, no comment without experience.

Dave


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2010-03-13 07:06:37 UTC
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ezkcdude;524547 Wrote:
> I ordered an iPad this morning. Whatever the iPeng app is, there has to
> be a convincing case made to me that it does more than the SC web
> interface. Otherwise, I'll just use that.

I think that if you stick to the web interface and and after one year
see iPeng at a friends i-Pod/Pad/Phone you will kick yourself in the
nuts just about 365 times for not trying it out on day one.

Is the prospect of not having to punish yourself for not giving out
that pettycash enough case for you?

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pippin
2010-03-12 20:56:13 UTC
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"ezkcdude" Wrote:
>
>
> Does iPeng do MusicIP mixes? That's the one feature I really care
> about. Without that ability I would never use something else.
Of course it does :)

That said: iPeng for iPad is still a bit out and even though I di have
a general design I'm still taking suggestions.

For the iPad launch there will definitely only the iPhone version be
available. I might try to stretch it out a bit to make better use of
screen space for iPad but that would be it.

iPad only launches in Europe end of April (no date announced yet) and I
definitely want real HW to play around with before I finalize any
designs. I don't believe you can design this for usability on a
simulator.
Considering to get an iPad from the US, though, just to be sure.


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I'll keep an eye out for it.

I have one suggestion, that you may want to consider for the iPhone and
iPad. (If you already have this feature, my apologies.) It would be cool
to use GPS information to find upcoming gigs in the local area of
whatever band you're listening to or similar-sounding bands (perhaps,
using MusicIP).


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Cool idea!
Could you file a ticket for this?
https://trac.penguinlovesmusic.de/trac/ipengnat/


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2010-03-12 22:40:10 UTC
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pippin;524638 Wrote:
> Cool idea!
> Could you file a ticket for this?
> https://trac.penguinlovesmusic.de/trac/ipengnat/

Ok, just did. It's ticket #220. I also suggested that for Wi-Fi only
(non-GPS) iPads, the user could enter in their zip code manually.

In general, I think that location-based and geotagging features are
really going to be important going forward. This is only one example,
I'm sure others could contribute many such ideas.


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ezkcdude;524644 Wrote:
> Ok, just did. It's ticket #220.
Thanks!
>
> I also suggested that for Wi-Fi only (non-GPS) iPads, the user could
> enter in their zip code manually.
>
Agree, although I don't think this will be necessary unless you are in
a pretty remote area. Google is pretty good at locating stuff through
WiFi these days. Hey, they know EVERYTHING about you.
Where I live - ok a pretty urban area - the WiFi location on my iTouch
is about as good as the GPS one on my iPhone.


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pippin;524647 Wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> Agree, although I don't think this will be necessary unless you are in
> a pretty remote area. Google is pretty good at locating stuff through
> WiFi these days. Hey, they know EVERYTHING about you.
> Where I live - ok a pretty urban area - the WiFi location on my iTouch
> is about as good as the GPS one on my iPhone.

I think the iPod Touch may, in part rely on Skyhook data to do WiFi
locate. After I updated Skyhook's database with my WiFi MAC's and GPS
coordinates, I now show up at home when using location services on my
iPod Touch.

basic info:
http://www.skyhookwireless.com/

add an access point:
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2010-03-13 14:41:26 UTC
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I quite like the idea of using a grid of album art or artist pictures to
navigate by. A bit like the photos app, but without the stacks:
http://images.apple.com/ipad/features/images/photos_rotator_p_20100225.jpg.

Of course, if you did manage to get artist pictures to work reliably,
you could use the stack metaphor. Artists pic on top, stack of CDs
underneath :)

(Oh and the ability to git rid of the light blue background pretty
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twylie;524758 Wrote:
> I think the iPod Touch may, in part rely on Skyhook data to do WiFi
> locate. After I updated Skyhook's database with my WiFi MAC's and GPS
> coordinates, I now show up at home when using location services on my
> iPod Touch.
>
> basic info:
> http://www.skyhookwireless.com/
>
> add an access point:
> http://www.skyhookwireless.com/howitworks/submit_ap.php

Sorry to go O/T, but I wonder if the iPod Touch uses more than that. At
xmas I took a router to my in-law's (in a different part of the UK) to
use it as a wireless access point. For those few days the iPod had no
idea where it was located (as expected, although that router correctly
identified my house when used at home).

A month later we went back to the in-law's and I took the router with
me again. This time the iPod correctly located itself to within about
100 metres. I can't believe that Skyhook would have been driving around
cataloging wi-fi networks over xmas, particularly in rural Yorkshire. If
they did, then they're certainly dedicated to their jobs.


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2010-03-15 10:23:09 UTC
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Interesting.

A lot of focus for the iPad seems to be around "show more data".
Which obviously has a dimension of where to get this data if it's not
in SBS. 3rd party data sources are an obvious answer and actually I do
have some things I'm working on even for the "small screen" iPeng.

Yet for some - Lyrics come to mind, we had the discussion - a plugin
would be the better or even necessary idea, wouldn't it?

DoomWolf;525210 Wrote:
> cataloging wi-fi networks over xmas, particularly in rural Yorkshire.

They could have been driving around there earlier and just have done
the database update over Christmas.

I don't know how exactly this works, but I do know that Google (who
runs this) buys data from local data providers in each country.


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Anything that can be downloaded and saved as a PDF, I think, can be the source. For instance, I collect the Gardiner/Monteverdi Choir Bach Cantatas. They have superb and extended programme notes, available to download as PDFs (although it's easy enough to convert and save pages that aren't using the Print menu). For Mac users, it is a piece of cake to attach these to albums in iTunes using these of Doug's Applescripts:

<http://dougscripts.com/itunes/scripts/ss.php?sp=pdfadder>

The downloads are then accessible from iTunes via a shortcut (a picture of a book) displayed in the interface next to a track listing in the album entitled "Booklet". Clicking on the track opens "Preview" (or whatever your default app for looking at PDFs is) next to, or over, the iTunes window.

What I mean is making this also possible in iPeng - only iPeng could do it better because it would give the ability to view these PDFs next to, and in the same view/appication as, all the other track info/artwork/playing info that iPeng displays already - and I am a big fan, by the way - on something the size of an iPad. In all ways but one (handling the actual cardboard) better than having the CD/LP covers themselves, as far as I can see.



On 15 Mar 2010, at 10:23, pippin wrote:

>
> Interesting.
>
> A lot of focus for the iPad seems to be around "show more data".
> Which obviously has a dimension of where to get this data if it's not
> in SBS. 3rd party data sources are an obvious answer and actually I do
> have some things I'm working on even for the "small screen" iPeng.
>
> Yet for some - Lyrics come to mind, we had the discussion - a plugin
> would be the better or even necessary idea, wouldn't it?
>
> DoomWolf;525210 Wrote:
>> cataloging wi-fi networks over xmas, particularly in rural Yorkshire.
>
> They could have been driving around there earlier and just have done
> the database update over Christmas.
>
> I don't know how exactly this works, but I do know that Google (who
> runs this) buys data from local data providers in each country.
>
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Well, this is not about iTunes data, but Squeezebox Server. iPeng
doesn't have access to iTunes on another device so iPeng has to get all
the data from SBS or an online service.

iPeng does already today display all the information that SBS delivers,
if you attach more with iTunes and SBS doesn't process it, I have no
access to it.

This is what I meant about somebody should consider to write plugins
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I take the point that iPeng already displays all the data that SBS can deliver, of course, and that iTunes data are not accessible to it. However, I absolutely was not writing about iTunes data, or expecting iPeng to access them.

There is nothing about these PDFs that makes them in themselves "iTunes data", any more than are the music files themselves, or the artwork and tags attached to them. It is true that the PDFs have a tag that attaches them to the music file which iTunes can read; that they are catalogued in the iTunes "library" (incidentally, it always strikes me as ludicrous that Apple insists on calling it the "iTunes library" when it is no more a library than is the chest of index cards in a real library's search room: it's merely a catalogue); and that they reside in the folders created by iTunes for the album. So, however, do and are the .aiff files on my music disk, and the tags and artwork associated with them. Yet none of these, as you know, are exclusively iTunes data. They are just as accessible
to any other program or process that runs on the same machine, or on the same LAN, as they are to iTunes, be those applications Max or Amadeus Pro or Audacity or Logic or Sibelius or Coversc
out or CDPedia or - because it can either directly read the tags, or the iTunes catalogue/library files - Squeezebox Server. In just the same way, these are merely ordinary PDFs readable in or by any application that is capable of rendering them (including Preview or Adobe Reader, for instance). In fact, these PDFs are not "iTunes data" even in the sense that the music files and other tags might be - absolutely not because iTunes is of itself quite incapable of rendering them. It can only understand the tag that says "get something else to read me please".

However, what is or is not iTunes data is beside my point, (or the topic of the thread, for that matter), which was merely to suggest another answer to the question: "how should iPeng on iPad look?" and to suggest that this is one "look" which it would be extremely advantageous to both systems - that is, both iPeng and SBS - to be able to deliver, by whatever means, on the iPad. If a plug-in is what is necessary to make PDFs accessible to SBS as well (as Preview and Adobe Reader, that is), and therefore to iPeng - and you will know a lot better than I if it is - then I entirely concur with your last sentence, and you've got a vote for your suggestion!


On 15 Mar 2010, at 12:34, pippin wrote:

>
> Well, this is not about iTunes data, but Squeezebox Server. iPeng
> doesn't have access to iTunes on another device so iPeng has to get all
> the data from SBS or an online service.
>
> iPeng does already today display all the information that SBS delivers,
> if you attach more with iTunes and SBS doesn't process it, I have no
> access to it.
>
> This is what I meant about somebody should consider to write plugins
> for this.
>
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The question is not whether it's iTunes data or something. I need the
PDF to display it and I can only get it through SBS, I have no other
connection to your local PC. If this was online info, I'd have the
chance to go look up a song and read additional information from another
service.

But iPeng does not directly access data on your Mac or PC.

Now with music shared and uploaded to your iPad - that may be a
different story, will have to try what you can do on iPad with that.


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2010-03-15 15:44:02 UTC
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I can't believe you are ALREADY looking to maximise the iPad for iPeng!
I was looking forward to using the original app on my iPad when it
finally launches but an optimised version I would pay again for (but
would prefer it to be free to owners, of course :D).

Whatever - nice work!


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Cockeye;525287 Wrote:
> I can't believe you are ALREADY looking to maximise the iPad for iPeng!
> I was looking forward to using the original app on my iPad when it
> finally launches but an optimised version I would pay again for (but
> would prefer it to be free to owners, of course :D).
>
> Whatever - nice work!

Well, it will definitely be a few months out. I need an iPad first to
try the look and feel and even though I ordered one in the US it will
probably take at least until mid April before it arrives.

Oh, and you would probably have to pay again :( This App will be
significantly different from iPeng for iPhone/iTouch so I doubt I will
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2010-03-15 18:28:32 UTC
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pippin;525282 Wrote:
> The question is not whether it's iTunes data or something. I need the
> PDF to display it and I can only get it through SBS, I have no other
> connection to your local PC. If this was online info, I'd have the
> chance to go look up a song and read additional information from another
> service.
>
Would you prefer to go through a third party plugin in SBS or having a
direct connection if it was avaialble as an online source with an API ?


For example LastFM information which should be useful for pop/rock
libraries for extra information, similar artists and artist images.

I'm not sure if there is any good online source with API for lyrics ?
Maybe lyricsfly.com or lyrics.wikia.com ?

It would also be nice to get some integration allmusic.com, maybe
through Michael's great AlbumReview/Biography plugins which probably
have JSON commands to get the information since it's available on the
Controller ?

pippin;525299 Wrote:
>
> Oh, and you would probably have to pay again :(
>
No problem, I'm sure we will all love to pay if it's as good as the
current iPeng for iPhone.


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erland;525352 Wrote:
> Would you prefer to go through a third party plugin in SBS or having a
> direct connection if it was avaialble as an online source with an API ?
>
>
I don't know.
+ Plugin spares me the handling of an additional connection
+ Plugin may be more simple to implement (don't know)
- Plugin doesn't work with MySB which is growing more and more
important

I definitely need a plugin for everything that maybe challenging
license wise, like Lyrics.
>
> For example LastFM information which should be useful for pop/rock
> libraries for extra information, similar artists and artist images.
>
Hm, I'll have to look at theri API
>
> I'm not sure if there is any good online source with API for lyrics ?
> Maybe lyricsfly.com or lyrics.wikia.com ?
>
Lyrdb, the one the Lyrics plugin uses? LyricsWiki, that's
lyrics.wikia.com I believe. Lyrdb has Karaoke data but is not licensed,
at least not globally.
If _I_ would write such a plugin I would search in several such
databases, amybe with a search order.
>
> It would also be nice to get some integration allmusic.com, maybe
> through Michael's great AlbumReview/Biography plugins which probably
> have JSON commands to get the information since it's available on the
> Controller ?
>
They have. Even the next iPeng for iPhone will have a somewhat better
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pippin;525355 Wrote:
> I don't know.
> + Plugin spares me the handling of an additional connection
> + Plugin may be more simple to implement (don't know)
> - Plugin doesn't work with MySB which is growing more and more
> important
>
> I definitely need a plugin for everything that maybe challenging
> license wise, like Lyrics.
>
Just for information, I've started to look at a new "Song Info" plugin
which will provide a generic JSON interface to get extra text or image
url information from the server related a song, artist or album.

If everything works well it will have a plugin interface similar to
Custom Scan so you can add custom modules as separate plugins but still
have a generic interface to request the information.

The main reason for implementing it is that I want artist images in my
"Album Flow" applet, so I'm not doing this specifically for iPeng but I
suspect it might be useful also there unless you want a solution that
works with MySB.com.

I'm not yet sure if it't enough to just return raw text or image urls,
there might be a need for some combination and maybe also for some kind
of formatted text version.

Things that should work with this:
- Last FM information (like similar artists, artist images, textual
description of album/artist)
- Integration with AlbumReview/Biography plugins (haven't look at their
interface yet, but the plan is that it should work)
- Integration with some lyrics plugin
- Information scanned with Custom Scan plugin

I'll probably focus on LastFM and Custom Scan support initially.


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Erland,

as usual: sounds cool :)


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Would it be possible to display the contents of a *.txt file residing in
the folder from which the current song is playing? I have many (legal)
live boots that have txt files with info such as venue, personnel, etc.
Unfortunately they are not always named "info.txt" but they are the only
txt file in the folder.

Failing this, would it be possible to have an equivalent to what is
possible in, for example, foobar: a right click on the file that is
playing gives a "Open containing folder" option in the dropdown. I can
then manually open the text file.

I understand the multitasking issues but I think (hope) this will
disappear soon. Apple cannot be that stupid to let this limitation
persist.

I also understand that this feature is probably not of interest to many
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2010-03-19 13:46:34 UTC
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RonD2;526432 Wrote:
> Would it be possible to display the contents of a *.txt file residing in
> the folder from which the current song is playing? I have many (legal)
> live boots that have txt files with info such as venue, personnel, etc.
> Unfortunately they are not always named "info.txt" but they are the only
> txt file in the folder.
>
> Failing this, would it be possible to have an equivalent to what is
> possible in, for example, foobar: a right click on the file that is
> playing gives a "Open containing folder" option in the dropdown. I can
> then manually open the text file.
>
No and No. iPeng has no access to your folders, iPeng only has access
to Squeezebox Server's library. You'd need to somehow tell SBS to scan
that file and provide access to it. It's not that anybody can just ready
any file from your PC/Mac with an iPhone, which actually is a good thing
:)
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RonD2;526432 Wrote:
> Would it be possible to display the contents of a *.txt file residing in
> the folder from which the current song is playing? I have many (legal)
> live boots that have txt files with info such as venue, personnel, etc.
> Unfortunately they are not always named "info.txt" but they are the only
> txt file in the folder.
>
> Failing this, would it be possible to have an equivalent to what is
> possible in, for example, foobar: a right click on the file that is
> playing gives a "Open containing folder" option in the dropdown. I can
> then manually open the text file.
>
> I understand the multitasking issues but I think (hope) this will
> disappear soon. Apple cannot be that stupid to let this limitation
> persist.
>
> I also understand that this feature is probably not of interest to many
> but thought I'd ask anyway.

I would like the same thing for the exact same reason, thought what
I've also done is convert the txt's to pdf and combined into one file
with an index (bookmarks). Once apple gets past the 'multitasking
issues' creating that pdf on another machine and then opening on the
iPad is what I'm aiming for.


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2010-03-15 20:12:54 UTC
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>
>
> No problem, I'm sure we will all love to pay if it's as good as the
> current iPeng for iPhone.

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2010-03-15 22:58:05 UTC
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pippin;525299 Wrote:
> Oh, and you would probably have to pay again :( This App will be
> significantly different from iPeng for iPhone/iTouch so I doubt I will
> get all this wrapped into conditional coding.
So, if it's going to be a new app, what will you call it? iPang?

(I won't mind ponying up for the new app. It will be well worth it,
I'm sure.)


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2010-03-15 23:25:43 UTC
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I'm in for an iPad too. With iPang, for sure. Still don't have an iPhone
and I think I can resist until my Shuffle dies...

(BTW does the Store have provision for purely marketing releases ? I
mean things like a bundle iPeng+iPang with x% discount, "competitive
upgrade" :) pricing, etc. Not that it matters much given the price,
strictly curious.)


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Yes, that's what I thought you meant, despite your use of the phrase. I presumed that the plug in you suggest would be to get SBS to get it/read it from the music library (that is, the real library - where the files are). Of course, a lot of the info is actually on line - available from the record companies (certainly in the case of new high quality classical releases). See the SDG site for the Bach Pilgrimage series (Gardiner/Monteverdi Choir/English Baroque Soloists) for an excellent example: all the stuff that goes into/onto a very good CD cover indeed is there in high res.

On 15 Mar 2010, at 15:37, pippin wrote:

>
> The question is not whether it's iTunes data or something. I need the
> PDF to display it and I can only get it through SBS, I have no other
> connection to your local PC. If this was online info, I'd have the
> chance to go look up a song and read additional information from another
> service.
>
> But iPeng does not directly access data on your Mac or PC.
>
> Now with music shared and uploaded to your iPad - that may be a
> different story, will have to try what you can do on iPad with that.
>
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>
> There is nothing about these PDFs that makes them in themselves "iTunes
> data", any more than are the music files themselves, or the artwork and
> tags attached to them.
>
Do you know if the information is available in the iTunes Library.xml
file ?
If it's stored in tags in the music file, do you know which tag ?


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Hi Erland. The short answer to these questions is that I don't know, although I've tried to discover, as far as I am able with no knowledge either of AppleScript or tagging. I certainly cannot find the info itself in the .xml file, and the contents of the PDF, which run to several pages, are definitely not there. This appears to be the only section that might be relevant in the details for one track which has a PDF attached to it, but I see nothing different there from any other track that does not have an attached PDF.


v0.99pb4 </string>
<key>Artwork Count</key><integer>1</integer>
<key>Persistent ID</key><string>41FC9BDF0B1D9EF0</string>
<key>Track Type</key><string>File</string>
<key>Location</key><string>file://localhost/Volumes/music%20disk/iTunes/Budapest%20String%20Quartet/Beethoven%20Op.%200127%20(Budapest)_%20String%20Quartet%2012%20in%20E%20flat%20Major/5-05%20B'ven%20Op%20127_%2001.%20Maestoso%20-%20Allegro.aif</string>
<key>File Folder Count</key><integer>4</integer>
<key>Library Folder Count</key><integer>1</integer>


I would think that the answers would be clear from the AppleScript itself (as revealed in script editor) to anyone who knows AppleScript and about tagging. That, I'm afraid, is not me.

The PDF shows in the iTunes interface as a track name in the album to which it is attached, with its own shortcut icon, namely, a picture of a book on the right hand margin of the "Name" field.

Whatever there is can only be a pointer for iTunes to the full PDF which is listed in Finder with the usual extension of .pdf along with the music files: in the folder for the relevant album within the iTunes music folder (a folder on an external FW disk, in my case, not the normal Media folder). It can be opened and read by either Preview or Adobe Reader - depending on the default PDF reader set - by double clicking on it in Finder in the usual way, completely independently of iTunes. Double clicking in iTunes opens the file in the default PDF reader in a new window.

Geraint.



On 15 Mar 2010, at 18:30, erland wrote:

>
> cunobelinus;525264 Wrote:
>>
>> There is nothing about these PDFs that makes them in themselves "iTunes
>> data", any more than are the music files themselves, or the artwork and
>> tags attached to them.
>>
> Do you know if the information is available in the iTunes Library.xml
> file ?
> If it's stored in tags in the music file, do you know which tag ?
>
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The one thing I miss with all my CD's in boxes is looking through the
inlay card, although it's great having thousands of tracks on a hard
drive I forget what it's like to pick up CD and become engrossed in the
message/artwork being portrayed by the artist.

I think that's whats going to make me upgrade to a tablet/pad/whatever,
music just seems to be 'lost' with using the original squeezebox/remote.
Could be me being sentimental though !


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The size and speed of the iPad raise the possibility of using it to display extended programme notes as well as displaying good quality artwork, at full length and size. If iPeng for iPad could do this, enabling access to information such as libretti, synopses or other extended texts either reading text embedded in the files/tags, or from other sources on the server's LAN or online through associated URLs, it would make a killer app if ever there was one for those listening to classical music, and for a good many other than classical music lovers too.

If one were feeling nostalgic, one might be tempted to say that it would be facilitating something very like a return to the heyday of the LP. In fact, looking at it entirely without sentiment, it would be much, much better, given the ability of the Touch to play high res music files because it would combine almost all the things people love about LPs with all the advantages of the best in current digital music reproduction. That's a pretty potent way forward for the whole SB platform, but also for digital music in its entirety.

On 14 Mar 2010, at 14:11, fphredd wrote:

>
> 808;524970 Wrote:
>> The one thing I miss with all my CD's in boxes is looking through the
>> inlay card, although it's great having thousands of tracks on a hard
>> drive I forget what it's like to pick up CD and become engrossed in the
>> message/artwork being portrayed by the artist.
>>
>> I think that's whats going to make me upgrade to a tablet/pad/whatever,
>> music just seems to be 'lost' with using the original squeezebox/remote.
>> Could be me being sentimental though !
>
> I was thinking the other day how I miss double album covers...I must be
> older than you... :-)
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Guess why the first thing I did after seeing the iPad was asking for
artist pictures ;)


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pippin;524790 Wrote:
> Guess why the first thing I did after seeing the iPad was asking for
> artist pictures ;)
If you do have an album grid / wall, I'd like to have the option of
shuffling them. Maybe a segmented button at the top with a sort order
(name/artist/year/random). It'd be nice not to always pick albums that
start A to C :)

I also like the idea of having a dedicated album view, perhaps done
with a WebKitView rather than a TableView. iPeng on my iPhone is very
much a remote control application, I use it for quickly performing
actions. I would like the iPad app to be a slower more visual
experience, sitting back on the sofa casually flicking through my albums
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2010-03-19 13:17:30 UTC
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pippin;524790 Wrote:
> Guess why the first thing I did after seeing the iPad was asking for
> artist pictures ;)

If you do get that, would you add artist pics to the iphone version on
the "artist browse"?

Pretty Pictures are always nicer to browse by. Curious I know the
Cover Flow is more gimmick than anything but have you thought about
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m1abrams;526423 Wrote:
> If you do get that, would you add artist pics to the iphone version on
> the "artist browse"?
>
yes.
>
> Pretty Pictures are always nicer to browse by. Curious I know the
> Cover Flow is more gimmick than anything but have you thought about
> providing a similar feature for landscape mode?

Yes, of course. Not sure I'll do it on iPhone, though, at least in the
short term.
Actually as cool as it looks meanwhile I don't only find it useless but
even annoying. Happens soooo often that I'm lying in bed, listening to
my iPod and when I want to search my library all of a sudden that damn
thing switches it CoverFlow... Typical case of looks cool but doesn't
really solve a problem.

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2010-03-19 13:50:08 UTC
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> And then all this work for something you finally find annoying ?

You're developing for your customers. If they like it?...
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> > And then all this work for something you finally find annoying ?
>
> You're developing for your customers. If they like it?...

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2010-03-19 14:45:14 UTC
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>> > And then all this work for something you finally find annoying ?

BTW: this annoyance isn't limited to coverflow. Automatic switching mail/web/... from landscape to portrait mode can be annoying in the bed case too...
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2010-03-19 15:29:28 UTC
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That's probably why you can inhibit the automatic orientation change on
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m1abrams;526423 Wrote:
> If you do get that, would you add artist pics to the iphone version on
> the "artist browse"?
>
yes.
>
> Pretty Pictures are always nicer to browse by. Curious I know the
> Cover Flow is more gimmick than anything but have you thought about
> providing a similar feature for landscape mode?

Yes, of course. Not sure I'll do it on iPhone, though, at least in the
short term.
Actually as cool as it looks meanwhile I don't only find it useless but
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pippin;526436 Wrote:
> yes.
>
>
> Yes, of course. Not sure I'll do it on iPhone, though, at least in the
> short term.
> Actually as cool as it looks meanwhile I don't only find it useless but
> even annoying. Happens soooo often that I'm lying in bed, listening to
> my iPod and when I want to search my library all of a sudden that damn
> thing switches it CoverFlow... Typical case of looks cool but doesn't
> really solve a problem.

I agree I find it annoying too, wish you could turn it OFF. Not sure
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