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Say it ain't so, Joe...no more CDs?
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dbinder101
2018-02-07 14:27:20 UTC
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https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8097929/best-buy-to-pull-cds-target-threatens-to-pay-labels-for-cds-only-when

So, does this mean we won't be able to rip music to our internal
libraries anymore? :eek:


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Mike Sargent
2018-02-07 15:42:07 UTC
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More money for Amazon...


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garym
2018-02-07 18:52:25 UTC
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Post by dbinder101
https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8097929/best-buy-to-pull-cds-target-threatens-to-pay-labels-for-cds-only-when
So, does this mean we won't be able to rip music to our internal
instead you can buy the lossless (FLAC, etc.) downloads and add to your
internal libraries. I probably have 6 or 7 thousand CDs, and frankly
I'd be happy to purchase 16/44.1 downloads rather than the physical CD.
There's not enough places to do that currently (not interested in
overpriced HD downloads that are probably not even true HD anyhow). So
I still buy lots of CDs (mostly from Amazon) and rip them. Once ripped
and booklet read, I store these away to hopefully never see again!

edit: I haven't seen more than 2 or 3 CDs in Target that I have any
interest in buying. 3/4 of the artists I've never heard of....



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stereoptic
2018-02-07 19:11:22 UTC
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Post by garym
instead you can buy the lossless (FLAC, etc.) downloads and add to your
internal libraries. I probably have 6 or 7 thousand CDs, and frankly
I'd be happy to purchase 16/44.1 downloads rather than the physical CD.
There's not enough places to do that currently (not interested in
overpriced HD downloads that are probably not even true HD anyhow). So
I still buy lots of CDs (mostly from Amazon) and rip them. Once ripped
and booklet read, I store these away to hopefully never see again!...
This is my practice as well.


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drmatt
2018-02-07 19:30:19 UTC
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The CDs time is nearly up, apart from for albums likely to sell to old
people...

Though the irony is they probably still sell LPs...

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Squeezemenicely
2018-02-07 19:58:54 UTC
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Oh no, well CDs are definitely on the way out in the shops. Only real
way to get them are the big online stores. What a shame, but honestly I
mainly listen to music from my NAs and not put my CDs in a player
anymore. Not finished ripping my thousands of CDs yet, but getting
closer...
But what to do with all my discs? They are taking up many metres in my
apartment. Just storing them in the cellar would be horrible, also they
are part of me and someone coming to my place can learn a lot about me
looking at my cds and books. Today all you really need is a kindle and
an audioserver , or not even that and just Spotify or whatever streaming
service.

Well times are changing, but it is taking the personality out of
acquiring and owning music. I used to love going to cd stores in
different countries etc, but those days are long gone... RIP



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Squeezemenicely
2018-02-07 20:41:44 UTC
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Part of my crazyness :-)



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garym
2018-02-07 23:27:38 UTC
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Part of my crazyness :-)
cool!!! :cool:



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usbethjim
2018-02-08 23:23:53 UTC
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Post by Squeezemenicely
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Part of my crazyness :-)
Yikes! Guesstimate on the number of units?

I had vinyl racks like that at one time - sold them off while the
selling was good...

Jim



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Squeezemenicely
2018-02-10 11:56:12 UTC
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Post by usbethjim
Yikes! Guesstimate on the number of units?
Well my LMS has 3099 Albums now (75958 titles, so over the Sonos limit)
- and I still have a lot to go... As it is all classical and every album
has 2-4 CDs, I guess it is a lot ;-)

That is where my money went. So putting them away in storage after
ripping, seems the logical thing to do - but I simply could not do that.



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Dogberry2
2018-02-13 17:05:55 UTC
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I can't remember the last time I bought a CD in a brick-and-mortar
store. I haven't been inside a Best Buy for many years, and I don't
recall that I've ever been inside a Target. I don't really understand
why anybody goes into places like that.

Which is not to say I don't buy CDs, or electronics. But why go out
among the grunting, belching, herds, when I can have stuff brought
directly to my house?

There are still a few items I go out to buy in stores. Musical
instruments, I prefer to hold in my hands and try out before buying.
Some foodstuff that doesn't really ship very well. Most clothing, I like
to see the size and quality, or try on. A few other special items that
can't really be judged by photographs online. But most of what I need or
want, I select, order, and purchase online. This is, after all, the 21st
century, not the 19th.


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chamonix
2018-02-13 17:19:16 UTC
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I rented a car, in March to drive to a ski area. Guess what? No CD
player ! I usually travel with direct CD to CD copies of music I leave
at home. That way if my "traveling" CDs get scratched or forgotten in a
rental car, no problem.

SO I had to stop the car in the Alberta wilderness, and pair my Samsung
Smart Phone to Bluetooth in the car, to listen to my music. Another
reason to buy a Samsung Galaxy phone, with a separate slot for a micro
SD card, to travel with your own music.
Incidentally, this area I was driving through had limited to no Cellular
coverage, so streaming music off the "cloud" wasn't an option.


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Dogberry2
2018-02-13 21:12:33 UTC
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Post by chamonix
I rented a car, in March to drive to a ski area. Guess what? No CD
player ! I usually travel with direct CD to CD copies of music I leave
at home. That way if my "traveling" CDs get scratched or forgotten in a
rental car, no problem.
SO I had to stop the car in the Alberta wilderness, and pair my Samsung
Smart Phone to Bluetooth in the car, to listen to my music. Another
reason to buy a Samsung Galaxy phone, with a separate slot for a micro
SD card, to travel with your own music.
Incidentally, this area I was driving through had limited to no Cellular
coverage, so streaming music off the "cloud" wasn't an option.
Carrying music in your phone hardly requires that your phone be a
Samsung. I've never owned a Samsung, but I've always had music in my
smartphones. My current phone is an LG V20, with a 128GB micro SD, and I
put about 200 albums on it—just the stuff I'm likely to need when I'm
off the grid—and still have lots of room for pictures, videos,
documents, etc. Even with all that on the SD, it's still only about 60%
full. The internal storage is 64GB, which I have less than 50% full.

I'm sure Samsung phones are very nice, but they're hardly the only nice
phones in the world today.


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w3wilkes
2018-02-14 16:57:25 UTC
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Carrying music in your phone hardly requires that your phone be a
Samsung. I've never owned a Samsung, but I've always had music in my
smartphones. My current phone is an LG V20, with a 128GB micro SD, and I
put about 200 albums on it—just the stuff I'm likely to need when I'm
off the grid—and still have lots of room for pictures, videos,
documents, etc. Even with all that on the SD, it's still only about 60%
full. The internal storage is 64GB, which I have less than 50% full.
I'm sure Samsung phones are very nice, but they're hardly the only nice
phones in the world today.
Fully agree, Samsung is way too expensive for me. I use a Moto X4 with
128GB micro SD and carry about 1200 albums MP3 (LAME) VBR at V0 quality
which is way good enough for Bluetooth in the car.



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d6jg
2018-02-15 22:08:57 UTC
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Most cars have usb. I carry my music on some usb sticks for car use. I
Bluetooth the phone as a phone only but I do have a lot of Flacs on my
phone.



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bomboloni
2018-02-07 23:39:28 UTC
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Post by dbinder101
https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8097929/best-buy-to-pull-cds-target-threatens-to-pay-labels-for-cds-only-when
So, does this mean we won't be able to rip music to our internal
I believe this is more of a merchandising decision, Best Buy can make
more money selling other products in the space that is allocated to
CD's. Last year they sold over $40MM in CD's, and this probably means
someone has figured out they can get even more $/sq ft selling different
products.

I do think that the CD will be relegated to the big online shops or
specialty stores in cities. I imagine with Amazon in the market, the
margins have shrunk. According to the RIAA, physical sales have been
shrinking, but CD's along with vinyl still represent 16% of all music
sales, or $431MM last year. Streaming is 62% of all music sales.

The best thing about CDs is that they offer the biggest bang for the
buck. They are priced low, and you can rip into any type of file you
want. Although for me they are simply a back-up disc after I have ripped
them.



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Grumpy Bob
2018-02-08 08:38:15 UTC
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What's quite interesting in news reports about the demise of CDs is that
they are no longer regarded as 'digital'. Digital is very much seen as
the opposite of 'physical', rather than the opposite of 'analogue'...

Robert



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garym
2018-02-08 11:04:08 UTC
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Post by Grumpy Bob
What's quite interesting in news reports about the demise of CDs is that
they are no longer regarded as 'digital'. Digital is very much seen as
the opposite of 'physical', rather than the opposite of 'analogue'...
Robert
yes, that is very interesting. The times they are a changin'...

"Grandpa, tell us a story again about how you used to have to actually
own this round thing in your house to play music."



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Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
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*Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or
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Grumpy Bob
2018-02-08 16:42:35 UTC
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yes, that is very interesting. The times they are a changin'...
"Grandpa, tell us a story again about how you used to have to actually
own this round thing in your house to play music."
Well, I'm buying more vinyl than CDs and downloads these days (though
usually the vinyl comes with a download coupon).

'Retro' Robert



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Paul Webster
2018-02-08 19:35:05 UTC
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Post by garym
yes, that is very interesting. The times they are a changin'...
"Grandpa, tell us a story again about how you used to have to actually
own this round thing in your house to play music."
Amazon Echo and Google Home are both round ... so maybe the question
will be about shine stuff.



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RJ_Make
2018-03-13 21:14:06 UTC
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Don't worry guys, in 20-30 years they'll be back... ;~}


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Mike Sargent
2018-03-14 13:10:05 UTC
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But none of us will be "cool enough" to really enjoy that "CD sound".


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drmatt
2018-02-13 18:31:35 UTC
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I on the other hand always request Bluetooth because unlike your Samsung
phone mine came with 128GB built in storage (and cost less most likely
too) .. the idea of taking a bunch of CDs is about as alien as the idea
of playing one at home.


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drmatt
2018-02-16 07:41:39 UTC
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I've found most ICE systems have awful unresponsive UIs when it comes to
browsing large numbers of files on USB sticks, tbh. And there's no
search, obviously. And their format support is awful. I have everything
ripped to flac for home use and a mirrored archive of ogg vorbis files
for use outside the home. Despite ogg being a FREE codec most in car
players won't actually play them. Even if you get the right format there
are sometimes annoying revision or bitrate limits.

Why Ogg not mp3? Well apart from the better sound quality per bit the
main reason is Replaygain support.


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RonM
2018-02-16 14:53:14 UTC
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Fewer distractions when driving is a good thing, so I do my organizing
for drive-along-music ahead of time. I prefer to use USB drives but have
an ample selection on my always-with-me mobile for bluetooth or cable
access via USB port.

I always have a flash drive with newer music for checking out, but
several others with playlists of one sort or another that get
modified/supplemented over time - Alternate Takes (side-by-side versions
of songs by different artists) or Male/Female duets, for instance.

I maintain two libraries, one with files as I received or made them,
mainly flac, and another at 320 mp3 for mobile purposes. Since neither I
nor most folks can hear the difference between a 320 mp3 and a flac on
great home equipment, I am confident I won't be able to hear it in the
all-noise environment of the car.

As for loudness balancing, I've thought of that -- but doesn't most file
conversion software, e.g. dbPoweramp, allow writing of MP3s in a
conversion process that reflect the Replay Gain tag on the flac?

R.



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drmatt
2018-02-16 15:54:59 UTC
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Yes you can create normalised mp3s, but the process is lossy.


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w3wilkes
2018-02-16 17:50:18 UTC
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Yes you can create normalised mp3s, but the process is lossy in a way
that's much worse than the lossy compression inherent in the medium.
Ogg Vorbis gain leaves the raw data alone and requires all decoders to
be able to apply the decibel correction from the headers. Similar to
flac.
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I was under the impression that replay gain is applied via a tag in MP3
files and the original MP3 data is not altered, at least if FOOBAR200,
MediaMonkey or Winamp are used to create replay gain info for MP3 files.
How would this be different from Ogg Vorbis?
http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=ReplayGain#MP3Gain



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drmatt
2018-02-16 18:24:25 UTC
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Depends on the player. If the new player honour the gain tag then great,
but it was not a core feature.

Annoyingly android core media playback services do not honour replaygain
tags either, so I do wind up also permanently normalising my files used
for portable playback. Like you say, no issue for in car playback.


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