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SB Alternatives
jimzak
2012-08-31 20:26:26 UTC
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I've read through several threads and like many others, I have a few
extra SB units. I'm not about to ditch my current system.

However, I would be interested in the alternatives that are out there
for hi-fi networked music aside from Sonos.

I'll start out with the following:

Olive
http://www.olive.us/

Popcorn Hour
http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/

Yamaha Musiccast2
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/musiccast2/index.asp

Pioneer N-50
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Audio-Components/Hi-Fi+Audio/N-50

Cambridge Audio Sonata NP30
http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=604&Title=NP30%20Network%20Music%20Player

iPeng on iPad or iPod + Cambrige Audio iD100 Digital Dock for iPad &
iPhone
http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=605&Title=iD100%20Digital%20Dock%20for%20iPad%20&%20iPhone

I think this is a good start. I haven't begun to analyze the pros and
cons of all these systems. I am sure there are many other alternatives.


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Grumpy Bob
2012-08-31 20:40:31 UTC
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I would be very interested in experiences with the Cambridge Audio iD100
dock, particularly as regards iPeng output. I have tried USB connection
from a first generation iPad to a Cambridge Audio DACmagic 100 and the
iPad complained that too much power was being requested (or something
like that).

Robert


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jimzak
2012-08-31 20:51:15 UTC
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Grumpy Bob wrote:
> I would be very interested in experiences with the Cambridge Audio iD100
> dock, particularly as regards iPeng output. I have tried USB connection
> from a first generation iPad to a Cambridge Audio DACmagic 100 and the
> iPad complained that too much power was being requested (or something
> like that).
>
> Robert

I read several reviewers panning the iD100 but gave this unit good
marks. Unfortunately it will not charge the iPad.

http://www.wadia.com/products/transports/171i/


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jhonsberger-uAjRD0nVeow@public.gmane.org
2012-08-31 21:21:07 UTC
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I see nothing on this list I'd be interested in .

Hopefully , there will be some future products that will
be able to replace the squeezebox at a similar price point.


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gruntwolla
2012-08-31 21:38:47 UTC
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http://www.yamaha.com/yec/musiccast2/index.asp All discontinued -
pity - looked quite interesting

Trev


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jimzak
2012-08-31 22:31:52 UTC
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Marantz's entry
http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=HiFiComponents&SubCatId=0&ProductId=NA7004


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gruntwolla
2012-09-01 02:21:10 UTC
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Any reason why you're discounting Sonos? From my perspective, Sonos
does everything that I need, albeit at a higher price than I would
ideally like. I could probably sell my various squeezeboxes whilst they
still have some market value for enough to start a 2 zone Sonos system.
It's not a scenario I'm entirely happy with, as my squeezebox system is
working perfectly, but I guess we're all in the same boat from that
point of view.
Trev


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Jayrcee
2012-09-01 05:12:09 UTC
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gruntwolla wrote:
> Any reason why you're discounting Sonos? From my perspective, Sonos
> does everything that I need, albeit at a higher price than I would
> ideally like. I could probably sell my various squeezeboxes whilst they
> still have some market value for enough to start a 2 zone Sonos system.
> It's not a scenario I'm entirely happy with, as my squeezebox system is
> working perfectly, but I guess we're all in the same boat from that
> point of view.
> Trev

For me, the fact that Sonos doesn't support HiRes audio and the track
limits are the two factors I can't go that route.


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nervoteso
2012-09-03 13:43:50 UTC
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gruntwolla wrote:
> Any reason why you're discounting Sonos? From my perspective, Sonos
> does everything that I need, albeit at a higher price than I would
> ideally like. I could probably sell my various squeezeboxes whilst they
> still have some market value for enough to start a 2 zone Sonos system.
> It's not a scenario I'm entirely happy with, as my squeezebox system is
> working perfectly, but I guess we're all in the same boat from that
> point of view.
> Trev

the problem with sonos is that those devices have no display like touch
or radio or boom have


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jimzak
2012-09-03 13:46:15 UTC
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nervoteso wrote:
> the problem with sonos is that those devices have no display like touch
> or radio or boom have

The other problem is the 65,000 file limit; this is a major issue for
me.


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nervoteso
2012-09-03 13:58:27 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
> The other problem is the 65,000 file limit; this is a major issue for
> me.
>
> I left Sonos out because most folks are aware of it as an alternative
> already.



65.000 file limit? really? also for me!!! bye bye sonos....which
alternative? i use a lot of services like lastfm and deezer, also now
LMS is installed in nas qnap and i've all music stored in that nas


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garym
2012-09-03 14:01:17 UTC
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nervoteso wrote:
> 65.000 file limit? really? also for me!!! bye bye sonos....which
> alternative? i use a lot of services like lastfm and deezer, also now
> LMS is installed in nas qnap and i've all music stored in that nas

and that's the upper limit. Depending on the metadata in your tags, it
could be much fewer than 65k. Problem for me as well. Also note 16/44.1
files only (although I have very little 24/96 or 24/192 myself, so not a
problem for me). Also, a closed system (no 3rd party plugins). And has
Pippin has pointed out, other than producing new hardware products,
Sonos has done nothing to update/improve their software in years.


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erland
2012-09-01 07:16:43 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
>
> However, I would be interested in the alternatives that are out there
> for hi-fi networked music aside from Sonos.
>
In my opinion, if we look at what's available now:

*For audiophiles:*
Base your system on a solution from your favorite HiFi manufacturer, you
can probably forget about them being focused at whole house audio on
longer terms because they are primarily focused on audio quality and
will ignore features like smart playlists, advanced browsing,
synchronized playback, providing good support for online streaming
services and similar, or at least give them low priority. They might
support a few streaming services in their solution today but believe me,
if they plan to continue to be focused at HiFi they will not focus at
online streaming services enough to make their implementation the best.
Of course, there could be HiFi manufacturers who want to move towards
the mass market and for these the situation would be different. The main
advantage with HiFi manufacturers is that you know they will focus on
audio quality, so you are sure that's not something they will give low
priority.

*For normal users who need audio in many rooms:*
Base your system on Apple or Sonos, everyone else might focus on
something else next year or aren't big enough so you can't be sure they
will survive on longer terms. Sonos currently also provides the best
solution for whole house audio as they have different kind of devices to
make it a good solution in all types of rooms. Apple is a bit more
limited, but with the correct docking station and their AirPlay support
I believe it's possible to make it work even if it won't be the same as
what you get with a Squeezebox system today. With an Apple solution (not
based on Squeezebox apps) you can probably forget about synchronized
playback between multiple rooms, but I'm not sure synchronized playback
is important for a lot of people, I think most people might use it
because it exists but could live without it if it didn't.

*For normal users:*
Everything will likely be good enough if you are in this user category,
most of normal users just want a single device that works and is simple
to use. Since they only have one or two devices it's easy for them to
switch to something else after a year or two. The simplest solution for
many of them might be to just get a docking station to their iPhone or a
bluetooth speaker solution.

*But most importantly:*
If your Squeezebox system works good today it's very likely going to
work good also for the next 6-12 months, probably longer, so don't go to
the store and replace it with what's available today. It's a lot better
to give it at least 12 months and see how the market evolves and handles
the hole left by Logitech.

How would you feel if you went to the store and purchased one of the
limited alternatives available today and another competitor or somebody
new released a system with similar features as Squeezebox in a year
which fulfills all your important needs ? Wouldn't that be kind of
wasted money ?

The situation would have been differently if Logitech would shutdown
mysqueezebox.com and maintenance completely already now, but that's not
the case, so there isn't any hurry as far as I can see. Also, even
though I don't have much hope that Logitech will do the right things,
there is still a chance they will realize what the market really wants
and do something great with the new UE Smart Radio brand, I personally
don't think this will happen but at least in theory there is a chance,
also here the next 12-24 months will show us if they know what they are
doing or not.


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Mnyb
2012-09-01 07:38:30 UTC
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Tricky tricky , I fit all off Erlands user categories at the same time !
i must be a squeezebox user :) .

Now i'm just chilling with my boom ,later I fill my whole apartment with
music synced ,and later on I will use my hifi to enjouy serius SQ using
one player .

But i'm not in need of over advanced browsing and services is spotify or
bandcamp and a fraction of web-radio (and now defunct Live Music Archive
) ,but 95% local files so that is spot on .

We could build a matrix somehow , parameters that i find important :

Wide fileformat support flac is must and 24/96 too and conversion of
other rates and odd formats that’s not native .

Unlimited library size (just add more disc CPU or whatnot ,but no
architecture limits ) ,sonos 65k files on a good day is not good enough
it's likely less with more tags in the files so I'll be there soon with
my 37k files with quite a lot of tag info .

Browsing should be better than the bare file folder structure. Based on
tags or other user input to customize the experience, like ratings etc ,
not as advanced as many of erlands plugins but better than rock bottom.

Music only device no TV needed to browse the music .

A reasonable playlist feature , here it is very easy to actually be
better than the squeezebox , I don't use playlist much mainly because
the LMS solution is so shoddy , any post >y 2005 device should be able
to generate a smart list based on a seed track.


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michael123
2012-09-01 07:40:14 UTC
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My alternatives:

Weiss MAN301 (!!)
Aurender S10 + DAC (preferrable EMM)
PS Audio PerfectWave DAC II + Bridge
Aurality L1000
SOtM sMS-1000


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toby10
2012-09-01 10:47:01 UTC
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I looked into both Olive and MusicCast before coming to SB. Both
systems were:
- closed source
- limited features
- almost no customization
- very limited offered services / subscriptions
- minimal codec support
- big, clunky, ugly boxes (worse than Sonos ;))
- no "players" to utilize the main units library/services (I think
MusicCast did eventually add these later, before dropping the whole
line)
- both were WAY overpriced

Olive is essentially an overpriced VortexBox with fewer features.

MusicCast is so closed source you couldn't even backup your library
without "special" software from Yamaha. To simply upgrade the MusicCast
HDD required sending the entire unit to a Yamaha service center (or an
unauthorized third party) to again run special Yamaha proprietary
software to transfer the HDD data to another HDD. This service cost
hundreds (not including the cost of the HDD itself) and took weeks.
Yamaha would only allow "their" HDD's be used, which were off the shelf
HDD's that Yamaha marked up over 100% above mfr list price.


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michael123
2012-09-01 10:54:54 UTC
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I do not care about open/closed source unless it is properly supported.
There are many open source projects that it is just a facade and a
mechanism to not doing any kind of proper support and commitment.
Open source projects frequently lack any kind of roadmap and what's
actually assures you in the continuation of the project is the community
of users and availability of developers.


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jimzak
2012-09-01 11:17:28 UTC
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Denon's entry looks good:

http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=StreamingMedia(DenonNA)&PId=DNP720AE(DenonNA)


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toby10
2012-09-01 11:22:50 UTC
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Denon url is dead.


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jimzak
2012-09-01 12:01:38 UTC
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toby10 wrote:
> Denon url is dead.

Addendum: I don't understand why this URL does not work because when I
go to the product page via Google, this is the URL.

Anyway Google DNP720AE

?!


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erland
2012-09-01 12:10:32 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
> Addendum: I don't understand why this URL does not work because when I
> go to the product page via Google, this is the URL.
>
> Anyway Google DNP720AE
>
> ?!

It's caused by forum software skipping the last ) in the url, the
correct URL is:
http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=StreamingMedia(DenonNA)&PId=DNP720AE(DenonNA)


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jimzak
2012-09-01 12:29:26 UTC
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Here are 77 pages of music players, most of which are not applicable to
our situation, but interesting:

http://www.techfresh.net/tech-gadgets/music-players/


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toby10
2012-09-01 14:11:33 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
> ..... Anyway Google DNP720AE

Looks like a decent unit. But at $499 and such a large size I'd much
prefer a SB Touch with it's additional digital out, SD card, touch
screen, server access (I don't use iTunes nor do I own an Apple device),
and for $200 less. But then, I am a bit biased. :)


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Mnyb
2012-09-01 12:54:35 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
> Denon's entry looks good:
>
> http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=StreamingMedia(DenonNA)&PId=DNP720AE(DenonNA)

DLNA wonder what server you should choose for that , migth influence the
actual experience of it a bit .

You could use LMS + whitebear if on windows ... or something else .

As for controll on iSomething or Andriod what would be good ?

As predicted by Erland I think multiroom sync is not there at all, and
it has a 24/96 DAC but specs are sketchy about file support at thoose
rates "FLAC" could mean anything .

But price is not to much , but not the most appealing option .

Anuthyng out there that supports multichannel flac and has hdmi out ?


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erland
2012-09-01 12:59:16 UTC
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Mnyb wrote:
>
> As for controll on iSomething or Andriod what would be good ?
>
The Kinsky iOS app from Linn is the best UPnP/DLNA controller I've seen,
no idea if it works with the Denon hardware, often there seems to be a
bit incompatibilities between UPnP devices from different
manufacturers.
Kinsky is not as good as iPeng but it's a lot better than many of the
other UPnP controllers available IMHO.
http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/DownloadKinsky


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mdconnelly
2012-09-01 13:18:51 UTC
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While I'm not about to dump my Squeezeboxen anytime soon, one product
that I'm curious about is the AudioEngine D2. I'm not clear if you can
bypass the D2 Receiver's DAC to use your own, but the concept of a D2
Sender working with up to 3 D2 Receivers is intriguing. Might be worth
checking out... http://audioengineusa.com/Store/Audioengine-D2.


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saeyedoc
2012-09-01 14:27:54 UTC
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mdconnelly wrote:
> While I'm not about to dump my Squeezeboxen anytime soon, one product
> that I'm curious about is the AudioEngine D2. I'm not clear if you can
> bypass the D2 Receiver's DAC to use your own, but the concept of a D2
> Sender working with up to 3 D2 Receivers is intriguing. Might be worth
> checking out... http://audioengineusa.com/Store/Audioengine-D2.
Yes, the receiver does have digital out. What I'd like is a less
expensive unit that does away with the DAC. That might get the price
down to a reasonable level.


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jimzak
2012-09-01 16:54:39 UTC
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I got the cue to search for this from another related thread:

Linn DS players
http://www.linn.co.uk/systems/all-products/linn-ds

I'm sure they are not cheap.


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garym
2012-09-01 17:05:38 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
> I got the cue to search for this from another related thread:
>
> Linn DS players
> http://www.linn.co.uk/systems/all-products/linn-ds
>
> I'm sure they are not cheap.

looking at akurate ds, klimax ds, sneaky ds, etc. it is hard to find a
price online with a quick look, but one will spend several thousand
pounds up to maybe 8,000 pound sterling. And you'll be using upnp/Dlna
with some additional software (kinsky), that at its best pales in
comparison with LMS. Makes the Touch look even more of a bargain.

http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/Kinsky


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Mnyb
2012-09-01 17:04:11 UTC
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We are in no hurry to replace our systems yet , I expect to use years to
contemplate the issue .
And my replacement would be some product not yet existing for natural
reasons .

The current situation is very similar to what it was when i opted for
squeezeboxes in 2006 sans squeezeboxes :-/

The situation is not only that the current products compare like apples
and oranges ? it is like you desperately settle for any kind of fruit
but your only offered dirt or sand as options .

Or choosing between cars that only go left or right , the situation is
currently impossible I'll sit on it a couple off years and will continue
to enjoy my squeezeboxes in the meantime .

I'ts sad to think that Logitech incompetence killed a truly unique
product line that really has no equal in the current market ?
It's stupendous they have a complete niche in the market for themselves
with actually no one offering something similar (with the exception of
soolos ,but they are priced silly ) and yet they fail ?

I will watch the tread if someone finds anything similar I expect it to
take time .

As I'm Hi-Fi interested I will sometimes read the sales info from
various brands and share of something comes up, but I have little faith
in Hi-Fi engineering they simply lack the right kind of imagination and
system approach they often miss the big picture .

The Meridian Soolos brand has a system approach as given by this product
http://www.meridian-audio.com/sooloos/mc600.php
But the pricing is very very silly nothing you cant do with a HP
microserver and a box of Touch units , wait that’s what i have :)


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Mnyb
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A better link to the complete soolos offerings .

http://www.meridian-audio.com/sooloos/the-components.php


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castalla
2012-09-01 17:18:03 UTC
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The Cocktail Audio x10 gets good reviews and user feedback - rubbish
name, 'though.


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chenrikson
2012-09-01 17:44:56 UTC
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IIRC a company called "Grace" has a wide range of internet players, tho
I know nothing about the quality.

Craig


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castalla
2012-09-01 18:17:16 UTC
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chenrikson wrote:
> IIRC a company called "Grace" has a wide range of internet players, tho
> I know nothing about the quality.
>
> Craig

You're going to encounter the mysteries of Reciva taking this route!


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jimzak
2012-09-01 18:34:51 UTC
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Mnyb wrote:
> A better link to the complete soolos offerings .
>
> http://www.meridian-audio.com/sooloos/the-components.php

The Media Core 600 component goes for £6000 :)


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rbz5416
2012-09-01 19:26:27 UTC
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Just an case anyone -is- thinking of buying a "hifi" streamer, be aware
that many don't support gapless playback.


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andy_c
2012-09-01 21:01:21 UTC
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rbz5416 wrote:
> Just an case anyone -is- thinking of buying a "hifi" streamer, be aware
> that many don't support gapless playback.

Exactly. One concern with DLNA is that gapless playback is optional,
not required. Support for gapless is needed in both the server and
renderer for gapless playback to work. Some really interesting threads
in the JRiver forum and elsewhere can be found by googling
SetNextAVTransportURI

Linn has their own gapless implementation outside of DLNA. They claim
the DLNA implementation of gapless is badly flawed. There's all kinds
of vague information floating around, including links to an Intel
document that supposedly recommends against implementing
SetNextAVTransportURI() (required for gapless). But the links to this
document are all dead, so I don't know what's up. The discussions in
the J-River forum involve AndrewFG (Whitebear developer), so they may be
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snoogly
2012-09-01 21:48:17 UTC
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It certainly is a minefield out there. I stumbled upon the NAD C 446
streamer, thinking if Anyine could get it right, NAD could.

Great press reviews, the user reviews tell a different story:
http://nadelectronics.com/user-reviews/822

Ironic that when researching alternatives one is often sent right back
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jimzak
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Try pairing an iPod with iPeng player software with

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1070BW5394

Feed the HDMI into the appropriate component audio via HDMI!


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dasmueller
2012-09-03 01:20:10 UTC
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Sorry. if it requires purchase of an Apple product I am not interested.


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jimzak
2012-09-03 13:25:17 UTC
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I've heard/read that HDMI may not be ideal in some ways, therefore this
dock which has a DAC but can be bypassed via 2 digital non-HDMI outputs,
may be a great Touch sub when combined with an iPod and iPeng playback:

PURE i-20 Digital Dock for iPod/iPhone with Hi-Fi Quality Audio and
Video Output

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049MOK92/?tag=hyprod-20&hvadid=15475785219&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2052636071799186202&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&ref=asc_df_B0049MOK92


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garym
2012-09-03 13:29:54 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
> I've heard/read that HDMI may not be ideal in some ways, therefore this
> dock which has a DAC but can be bypassed via 2 digital non-HDMI outputs,
> may be a great Touch sub when combined with an iPod and iPeng playback:
>
> PURE i-20 Digital Dock for iPod/iPhone with Hi-Fi Quality Audio and
> Video Output
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049MOK92/?tag=hyprod-20&hvadid=15475785219&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2052636071799186202&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&ref=asc_df_B0049MOK92

or

http://www.wadia.com/products/transports/170i/
http://www.wadia.com/products/transports/171i/


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jimzak
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garym wrote:
> or
>
> http://www.wadia.com/products/transports/170i/
> http://www.wadia.com/products/transports/171i/

I believe the only problem here is that this item doesn't charge the
iPad. Therefore, it could be used only until the iPad discharges. It
does charge the iPod however. Otherwise looks good but pricey.


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Steve Baumgarten
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> I've heard/read that HDMI may not be ideal in some ways, therefore this
> dock which has a DAC but can be bypassed via 2 digital non-HDMI outputs,
> may be a great Touch sub when combined with an iPod and iPeng playback:
>
> PURE i-20 Digital Dock for iPod/iPhone with Hi-Fi Quality Audio and
> Video Output
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049MOK92/?tag=hyprod-20&hvadid=15475785219&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2052636071799186202&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&ref=asc_df_B0049MOK92

Wow, it sure seems like that gizmo plus a spare iPod Touch running iPeng
gives you pretty much what we got from the now discontinued Touch, and for
more or less the same price (plus you get a "free" iPod Touch this way).

The creativity and enthusiasm of this community never stops amazing me.

I'm planning on getting an iPhone later this year and for sure iPeng will
be the first app I purchase.

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giantpopples
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It may not be an alternative now but i would keep an eye on Voco
(http://www.myvoco.com/), they use a modified SqueezeboxCenter (version
7.5.5 now) as a backend, offers some gears (but no screen) and are not
so pricey.

I saw that the V-zone has an hdmi out, maybe it will support multi
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Vilmann
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A microcomputer with Squeezeslave and a decent DAC seems to be the most
logical alternative. Maybe Raspberry Pi?
I just did a test on an old ATOM-powered laptop. Works fine, but the fan
is rather annoying. Remote control is easy with Android or iOS but I
think there might be a way to control it through IR.
There's even a display option - whick I didn't check out.

All competitors seems to be either way to expensive or way too
complicated to handle on a daily basis. No, I dont want to convert my
music to some other format. No, I dont trust your hardware - you do the
hifi stuff, I do the computers. No, I don't need a 10K DAC to listen to
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jimzak
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Vilmann wrote:
> A microcomputer with Squeezeslave and a decent DAC seems to be the most
> logical alternative. Maybe Raspberry Pi?
> I just did a test on an old ATOM-powered laptop. Works fine, but the fan
> is rather annoying. Remote control is easy with Android or iOS but I
> think there might be a way to control it through IR.
> There's even a display option - whick I didn't check out.
>
> All competitors seems to be either way to expensive or way too
> complicated to handle on a daily basis. No, I dont want to convert my
> music to some other format. No, I dont trust your hardware - you do the
> hifi stuff, I do the computers. No, I don't need a 10K DAC to listen to
> internet radio.

How about a small computer with SqueezePlay?

My question is how does one get the digital signal out to a DAC?

Is there such a small computer already with digital out?


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garym
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jimzak wrote:
> How about a small computer with SqueezePlay?
>
> My question is how does one get the digital signal out to a DAC?
>
> Is there such a small computer already with digital out?

USB out to DAC?


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jimzak
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garym wrote:
> USB out to DAC?

I found lots of USB out options including this one:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007V6M0OU/ref=s9_simh_gw_p267_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=0HDVE6QXPHG8THZ1TGES&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938811&pf_rd_i=507846

Pricey but I guess it eliminates jitter.


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garym
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jimzak wrote:
> I found lots of USB out options including this one:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007V6M0OU/ref=s9_simh_gw_p267_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=0HDVE6QXPHG8THZ1TGES&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938811&pf_rd_i=507846
>
> Pricey but I guess it eliminates jitter.

You don't have to have USB to spdif converter if you have a DAC that has
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http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5/59298.html

I've always thought the fitpc2 would make a nice dedicated silent unit
for audio. Haven't tried yet. It has spdif out as well.


http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/


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pallfreeman
2012-09-03 23:34:08 UTC
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garym wrote:
> I've always thought the fitpc2 would make a nice dedicated silent unit
> for audio. Haven't tried yet. It has spdif out as well.
>

Costs too much, and runs too hot.

Has to be something like the Apple TV 2.


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garym
2012-09-03 23:44:28 UTC
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pallfreeman wrote:
> Costs too much, and runs too hot.
>
> Has to be something like the Apple TV 2.

I meant dedicated computer. Yes it is a bit pricy. Some use the
available heat sink (more money too!). The apple tv is not a server
that can run software (Im assuming).


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Autonomics mirage


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pallfreeman
2012-09-04 09:45:26 UTC
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garym wrote:
> The apple tv is not a server that can run software (Im assuming).

It has to be "jailbroken". Googling "xbmc apple tv 2" gives the
instructions for installing XBMC on it. XBMC already has a squeezeslave,
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garym
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pallfreeman wrote:
> It has to be "jailbroken". Googling "xbmc apple tv 2" gives the
> instructions for installing XBMC on it. XBMC already has a squeezeslave,
> so it's 90% there already.

I can see that possibility. But can a jailbroken apple tv 2 run full LMS
program? I think we're talking about two different things. I'm talking
about a computer that can run LMS (and also be a player perhaps by
running squeezeplay, etc.). Seems like the apple example is something
that can be a player and run limited software (squeezeslave), but might
struggle to run fullblown LMS. I'm happy to be wrong here (I'm just
trying to clarify what the apple tv 2 can do in terms of being a small
computer, like a fitpc2, sheevaplug, small NAS, etc.).


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pallfreeman
2012-09-04 12:48:56 UTC
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garym wrote:
> I'm just trying to clarify what the apple tv 2 can do in terms of being
> a small computer, like a fitpc2, sheevaplug, small NAS, etc

The main problem would be memory. Yeah, Google says that the ATV2 only
comes with 256M, which is probably not enough to do anything useful as a
server (like the Touch). But the ATV3 has 512MB: enough to satisfy quite
a few people.

Datapoint: Apple only sold 3 Million of these ATV boxes last year, but
that's OK, because they think of them as a "corporate hobby".

FWIW, I picked up a Dell SX270 for about $60 on eBay. Ugly little thing,
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ticalex
2012-09-04 13:35:28 UTC
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garym wrote:
> I can see that possibility. But can a jailbroken apple tv 2 run full LMS
> program? I think we're talking about two different things. I'm talking
> about a computer that can run LMS (and also be a player perhaps by
> running squeezeplay, etc.). Seems like the apple example is something
> that can be a player and run limited software (squeezeslave), but might
> struggle to run fullblown LMS. I'm happy to be wrong here (I'm just
> trying to clarify what the apple tv 2 can do in terms of being a small
> computer, like a fitpc2, sheevaplug, small NAS, etc.).

After years of dev with SB and Slimserver, the ultimate product was
according to us the "Black box" from logitech.
Why :

1/ Cost effective
2/ Simple to intergrate
3/ Small Size
4/ Reliable software and harware with very accurate music synch results
(cat5 linked / around 15ms) Way far better than any othe device on the
market... tried a lot.
5/ No display... no more remote control.
6/ A very simple & sexy UI for : player / remote / server
7/ Having a player (media renderer) software "clone" to put on any
already existing PC or compatible device... a jointventure with AV
receiver, DVD Players, TV (Cable & SAT) STB, Smart TV .... Companies
would be a must...
8/ In 2012 maybe it is time now to consider a built in video & image
player also ?

The closest product on the market, wether we like it or not (please
avoid affective or religious considertaion :o) is the ATV2.

Why all those 7 points so important :

1/ around a 100 $/€ is a max, occording to the fact that you want to put
one in almost every room (so consider the whole home price for players)
2/ Plug and Play is nowdays the only way (think for the very important
WAF point to be consider in home use)
3/ If want to put one behind a TV, an AV receiver, a Stereo... it as to
be small and minimum heat
4/ The accurency of the synch (for music only, forget real video
synch... to many network problems) is very important and a good
marketing seller point.
5/ No display at all. Even the simple LCD display of the original
squeezebow where the weakness of the product (as logitech kept same
harware, it is the same with logitech devices). With the low price of
any smart phone, tablets, smart TVs.... a remote software can show
informations on any device and forget the remote... IR remote is
expensive, you need to face the product, the range is short... Radio
remotes are expensive... even apple kept on IR remote which is nice, but
useless in most cases...
6/ One of the most important thing to me is defineitly UI.

- UI 1 : The Server...
* Aminstraion & Organise system and Plist
* If possible, concentrate a copy of any Multimedia file on the network
with compatible devices. (the server would be a major back up for
multimedia files at home... audio, private video, recorded TV
programs....)
* Having Multiple User accounts for each players, in order for different
members in the family to give different "stars" to the same files, and
having each their own Plist...
* Create "Collections" ( For exemple i want to regroup all "Cafe del Mar
Albulms into a "Collection" or All James Bond Movies ...)
* Manage your AV files with the possibility to have multiple "file
sources"... a tool to optimize tags and rename, automated search for
name, art and tags
* A tool to give the rights to the players (Public or Private) on the
network, and the restrictions of use (for example, forbiden synch of
player N° 2 & N°7)... forbiden video for player N°6.... Users & Player
rights -- Player N°12 private to user "Bill"

- UI 2 : The Remote / Would be great to have 2 Levels ... Once you have
selected the player - AREA to control
° Level 1 Simply select music / Plist / artist... Chose 1 or many
(Zones) Players / volume .. Play ...Pause...
° Level 2 : Advance file search, Create Manage Plist and Tags... /
Manage Players.... Create SCENARIOS for Synch Zones : AREA (Ex: "All 1
Floor" = Room1 + Room2...)

- UI 3 : The Player : Go straight to the Level 2 Remote software.

7/ Many of us (all i think :o) have already PCs, Smart Phone, name it
electronic devices ..... wouldnt it be glad to turn some is usefull
equipement, with having a software version of the palyer (with a warning
on the synch accurency results) in order to turn for exemple and old
ipod touch or laptop into a Player...
Having this soft straight built in into a AV receiver or a STB would be
a must.

8/ No need to say in 2012, all devices fills our disc memories with Gb
of Music, but also Pictures, Videos, Web Radios links, Podcast..... Some
day, i will no longer want to have 3 or devices connected to my TV, my
Stereo & or my AV Receiver. I will want ONE with the interface, icons,
navigations... i am used to in order to diplay, play, show, render....
any kind of media files i have....

Regards

Alexandre.


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2012-09-04 14:03:54 UTC
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No way my wife (or I, me ,myself?) will pick her iPhone, unlock it, wait
for network, and load the app just to change song.

With a traditional remote it's done in a second and that is also why a
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2012-09-04 16:46:50 UTC
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ticalex wrote:
>
> 5/ No display at all. Even the simple LCD display of the original
> squeezebow where the weakness of the product (as logitech kept same
> harware, it is the same with logitech devices). With the low price of
> any smart phone, tablets, smart TVs.... a remote software can show
> informations on any device and forget the remote... IR remote is
> expensive, you need to face the product, the range is short... Radio
> remotes are expensive... even apple kept on IR remote which is nice, but
> useless in most cases...
>
Not sure what you mean with this, but if you mean that there shouldn't
exist a player with a display I definitely disagree, the display is one
of the strengths of the Squeezebox compared to other systems, I use the
display in all my players and would miss it immediately if it wasn't
there.

The IR is also very important for me in the living room, because there
the Touch is connected to an amplifier and I wouldn't want to use two
different remotes to turn on amplifier, select the correct input and
power on the Touch, currently I can thanks to the IR support do this
with one single Harmony IR remote control. For the Radio/Boom type
players I agree that the IR support isn't important because with these
you usually only want to control one device and then a iPhone/Android
remote is enough. I also agree that IR support is bad for browsing and
so is the display, but both are very important for simple operations and
showing what's currently played. I never control anything via the touch
screen on the Touch, so a normal screen would be enough, I don't need a
touch screen.

I'm not going back to the situation I had 10 years ago with 6 remotes on
the table, the Harmony was a revolution for the remote control in same
way as the Squeezebox revolution for my music listening and MythTV for
the way to watch TV.

ticalex wrote:
>
> 7/ Many of us (all i think :o) have already PCs, Smart Phone, name it
> electronic devices ..... wouldnt it be glad to turn some is usefull
> equipement, with having a software version of the palyer (with a warning
> on the synch accurency results) in order to turn for exemple and old
> ipod touch or laptop into a Player...
> Having this soft straight built in into a AV receiver or a STB would be
> a must.
>
People aren't buying stationary PC's these days, they are buying laptops
or tablets, and neither laptops nor tablets is suitable for anything
else than local playback through their internal speakers.

A player for an iPod Touch/iPhone/Android smart phone is more
interesting as these tends to get outdated after a few years and you end
up getting a new one and don't know what to use the old one for, so
being able to put the old one in a docking station and use it as a
player is great. Fortunately we already have third party Squeezebox
player apps for both iPhone (iPeng) and Android (SqueezePlayer) so this
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erland wrote:
>
> People aren't buying stationary PC's these days, they are buying laptops
> or tablets, and neither laptops nor tablets is suitable for anything
> else than local playback through their internal speakers.
>
>

wrong on 3 counts there.


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2012-09-04 18:35:51 UTC
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SBGK wrote:
> wrong on 3 counts there.
>
When I said "People" it meant normal people not "Geeks" as most people
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2012-09-04 19:58:09 UTC
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There is also Simple Audio...

Well they are finally ready with their products which looks like a
modernised Sonos.

No Wireless, either LAN cable or Powerline.
all types of formats upto 24/96

But lacking in other areas:
- no mutiroom sync
- missing support for MANY streaming services
- currently a bit married to the fruitcompany
- pricy

http://www.whathifi.com/blog/update-first-impressions-simple-audio-hd-multiroom-hi-fi-system
http://www.whathifi.com/review/roomplayer-1
http://simpleaudio.co.uk/


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jimzak
2012-09-04 21:19:01 UTC
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slate wrote:
> There is also Simple Audio...
>
> Well they are finally ready with their products which looks like a
> modernised Sonos.
>
> No Wireless, either LAN cable or Powerline.
> all types of formats upto 24/96
>
> But lacking in other areas:
> - no mutiroom sync
> - missing support for MANY streaming services
> - currently a bit married to the fruitcompany
> - pricy
>
> http://www.whathifi.com/blog/update-first-impressions-simple-audio-hd-multiroom-hi-fi-system
> http://www.whathifi.com/review/roomplayer-1
> http://simpleaudio.co.uk/

There's also a 64k file limit :(

...and the things won't be in production until November at the
earliest...and that date keeps sliding.

It's basically a hi-res Sonos that is powerline-networked with software
that's still more or less in beta.


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bluegaspode
2012-09-04 21:26:54 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
> There's also a 64k file limit :(
>
> ...and the things won't be in production until November at the
> earliest...and that date keeps sliding.
>
> It's basically a hi-res Sonos that is powerline-networked with software
> that's still more or less in beta.

SimpleAudio had a booth at IFA already 12 month ago claiming everything
is ready to ship ...


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jimzak
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bluegaspode wrote:
> SimpleAudio had a booth at IFA already 12 month ago claiming everything
> is ready to ship ...

Sorry for the misinformation. I was looking at a long forum thread from
the end of 2011. I believe the first units came out in Jan 2012.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/streamers-network-music-players/1584248-simple-audio-roomplayer-owners-thread.html


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Does anyone have any experience with the SOtM sMS-100?

It seems to be an interesting alternative to a genuine squeezebox.
Though it appears not to have wifi functionality, which would be a real
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audiomuze
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It's basically LMS, Squeezelite, mpd and some other open source software
coupled with a Wandboard/NUC etc. type device slapped together in a case
marked up significantly and sold as an audiophile transport. Looks like
the licensing terms conflict with GPLv3 despite their leveraging efforts
licensed under GPLv3.



SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI'
(http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC
SCA2'
(http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/)
| 'ATC SCM100ASLT'
(http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/loudspeakers/tower-series/scm100aslt/)

*'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger'
(http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html):
'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* - now packaged in most
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cliston
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I realize this thread is very very old, but I was wondering if anyone
had tried anything by Grace Digital


http://gracedigital.com/


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castalla
2015-07-16 16:42:42 UTC
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cliston wrote:
> I realize this thread is very very old, but I was wondering if anyone
> had tried anything by Grace Digital
>
>
> http://gracedigital.com/

Basically - just another Reciva radio ... fewer services than
squeezebox, and not configurable.



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kh6idf
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I'm trying a Denon Heos Link as a Squeezebox replacement. No display
but I can use an Android tablet as a controller. So far I like it and
it has quite a few music services that is supports.


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jamietrew
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kh6idf wrote:
> I'm trying a Denon Heos Link as a Squeezebox replacement. No display
> but I can use an Android tablet as a controller. So far I like it and
> it has quite a few music services that is supports.

Interested in your experience with this. I have been struggling with
this myself. I have used a Squeezebox setup for more than a decade and
as much as it pains me, I want something simpler, with better streaming
media integration. The dealkiller on the Sonos, Bluesound, and
apparently some others is the 65K (or similar) limit. I just don't
understand this.

My perfect system has direct support for popular streaming media, a good
app, and no absurd limit for files I host locally. It should ideally be
able to seamlessly integrate between sources, e.g. I'd want to be able
to play a song from Spotify, then queue up a song from my local library
to play afterward. Sonos can do this. As long as my local library isn't
that big, which it is.

If Sonos had direct Plex integration, I'd buy it, and just use Plex to
host my own stuff. But it doesn't, and in their forums they've said they
have no intention. I have no idea why they are trying so hard to prevent
people from being able to use their system effectively, but there it
is.

So I've been trying to figure out which way to go... Heos also looks
interesting. My major concern with the Sonos-like competitors is that
they won't last; I don't want to be stuck with an orphan that doesn't
get updated as new services and technology evolve. I've also been
considering just getting a generic DLNA networked music player with
Spotify Connect and DLNA support and just serving it all from Plex, but
I lose the integration between services.


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castalla
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jamietrew wrote:
> Interested in your experience with this. I have been struggling with
> this myself. I have used a Squeezebox setup for more than a decade and
> as much as it pains me, I want something simpler, with better streaming
> media integration. The dealkiller on the Sonos, Bluesound, and
> apparently some others is the 65K (or similar) limit. I just don't
> understand this.
>
> My perfect system has direct support for popular streaming media, a good
> app, and no absurd limit for files I host locally. It should ideally be
> able to seamlessly integrate between sources, e.g. I'd want to be able
> to play a song from Spotify, then queue up a song from my local library
> to play afterward. Sonos can do this. As long as my local library isn't
> that big, which it is.
>
> If Sonos had direct Plex integration, I'd buy it, and just use Plex to
> host my own stuff. But it doesn't, and in their forums they've said they
> have no intention. I have no idea why they are trying so hard to prevent
> people from being able to use their system effectively, but there it
> is.
>
> So I've been trying to figure out which way to go... Heos also looks
> interesting. My major concern with the Sonos-like competitors is that
> they won't last; I don't want to be stuck with an orphan that doesn't
> get updated as new services and technology evolve. I've also been
> considering just getting a generic DLNA networked music receiver which
> supports Spotify Connect, and just serving all my own music from Plex,
> but I lose the integration between sources/services.

Use the squeeze2upnp plugin and any Sonos becomes a squeezebox player -
use LMS and a squeezebox control app. Job done.



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Logitech UE Smart Radio
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bluetooth speaker
O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers
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garym
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castalla wrote:
> Use the squeeze2upnp plugin and any Sonos becomes a squeezebox player -
> use LMS and a squeezebox control app. Job done.

does this "Sonos that is now a SB player" work in terms of being able to
sync with other actual SB players?

p.s. If the earlier poster is having trouble because LMS is not
seamlessly working with various music services, how does converting
SONOS player to emulate squeezebox solve the LMS problem?



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*Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER
*Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or
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jamietrew wrote:
> My perfect system has direct support for popular streaming media, a good
> app, and no absurd limit for files I host locally. It should ideally be
> able to seamlessly integrate between sources, e.g. I'd want to be able
> to play a song from Spotify, then queue up a song from my local library
> to play afterward. Sonos can do this. As long as my local library isn't
> that big, which it is.
>

I assume you know that Squeezeboxes and LMS can do this too (that is,
play a mixture of songs in a playlist that come from local sources or
services like Spotify). I do this all the time with Spotify tracks and
my own library.



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(all ethernet)
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Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio)
*Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite
*Spares:* Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER
*Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng8 & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or
SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop
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rbz5416
2012-09-05 07:04:35 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
> with software that's still more or less in beta.

jimzak wrote:
> Sorry for the misinformation.

>From what I've read this is still pretty much the case.

They seem to have used the Logitech model. Release the product & then
desperately try to make it work as advertised...


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RonM
2012-09-04 00:22:05 UTC
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garym wrote:
> http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5/59298.html
>
> I've always thought the fitpc2 would make a nice dedicated silent unit
> for audio. Haven't tried yet. It has spdif out as well.
>
>
> http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/

I've been using one as my music server for several years, without a
single problem of any sort. I don't understand the "runs too hot"
comment. Yes, it's warm, but that's because it's radiating all the
modest heat it produces through the heatsink cabinet. A unit with a fan
dissipates the heat, usually much more heat, in a different way. The
latter will have more of a room-heating effect.

As to price, you get what you pay for. The Fit2 diskless (which is how
you should get it) is modestly priced.

R.


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jimzak
2012-09-04 00:38:11 UTC
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RonM wrote:
> I've been using one as my music server for several years, without a
> single problem of any sort. I don't understand the "runs too hot"
> comment. Yes, it's warm, but that's because it's radiating all the
> modest heat it produces through the heatsink cabinet. A unit with a fan
> dissipates the heat, usually much more heat, in a different way. The
> latter will have more of a room-heating effect.
>
> As to price, you get what you pay for. The Fit2 diskless (which is how
> you should get it) is modestly priced.
>
> R.

I do like the idea of a fanless design, if it doesn't fry itself...which
it apparently does not.


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2012-09-04 00:40:24 UTC
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I know it's probably somewhat of a sore topic, but...

Does Google TV in any iteration have digital or HDMI outs AND is there a
Squeezebox app for this platform?


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pallfreeman
2012-09-04 09:57:41 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
> I do like the idea of a fanless design, if it doesn't fry itself...which
> it apparently does not.

No. It just makes you think it's going to!

Mine's lasted 18 months so far running 24/7 as a router in a dusty
corner of the wife's study. Highly recommended, other than the faint
burning smell. The FIT-PC2, that is, not the wife.


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jimzak
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garym wrote:
> You don't have to have USB to spdif converter if you have a DAC that has
> USB input. There are many of these around now.

Ok.

So the equation would be something like the following:

1. A mini PC with USB running SqueezePlay
2. A DAC with USB input
3. An amplifier or powered speakers

Example:

1. Zotac mini PC (150-400 USD)
2. DAC (150-500 USD or more)
3. Amplified speakers such as above or plug into AVR or amplifier

What is a good DAC that is comparable to the one in the Touch?


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the nightfly
2012-09-04 10:10:07 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
> How about a small computer with SqueezePlay?

Someone would have to hack SqueezePlay so it handled hi-res files; right
now, I believe the best it can do is 24/48.


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jimzak
2012-09-03 15:04:36 UTC
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dasmueller wrote:
> Sorry. if it requires purchase of an Apple product I am not interested.

To be fair, there is an Android alternative:

1. Any Android device
2. Squeezebox playback app:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?87364-ANNOUNCE-Music-Playback-now-on-ANDROID!-SqueezePlayer-released-to-the-market
3. Appropriate dock for that Android device
4. Amplified speakers or component audio system

For example:

1. Galaxy Tab 10.1
2. Squeezeplayer
3. Samsung dock for Galaxy Tab 10.1:
http://www.qvc.com/qvc.product.E259394.html?item=E259394&ref=GAS&tpl=detail&cm_ven=GOOGLESHOPPINGFEED&cm_cat=Electronics&cm_pla=Computers&cm_ite=E259394-000-000&adtype=pla
4. Speakers:
http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Studiophile-Powered-Monitor-Speakers/dp/B0051WAM64/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1346684467&sr=1-8&keywords=amplified+speakers

Galaxy Tab 10.1 refurb ~250 USD, Squeezeplayer 5 USD, Dock 19 USD,
Speakers ~130 USD = nice, small system with big display and no Apple
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Mnyb
2012-09-01 20:17:25 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
> The Media Core 600 component goes for £6000 :)

He exactly , a thing soolos got rigth is an optional very large Touch
screen (larger than any pad i seen ), wonder if should pass my Meridian
delar and ask if it does gapless

Wonder if you really need the media core component in every install
there are "simpler" options although also a very expensive, the system
is a complex, but you in this price range the dealer is expected to
present a solution and setup the thing for you .

it is however easy to use .


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RonM
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I was upgrading my car stereo yesterday, and the guy showed me a new
receiver (house not car) that was networked into the shop network. You
could see music folders on computers, and play the files. Including
playlists. Don't know limitations, but was certainly a way to access a
library. Did not require a server. Worked just like a car stereo
playing files from a USB flash drive.

Ron


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bluegaspode
2012-09-04 05:32:36 UTC
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GoogleTV does not support the NDK, so it's very unlikely to see a player
software there. I tried hard, but failed to circumvent this limitation
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2012-09-04 05:36:43 UTC
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As for hardware alternatives: look out for SheevaPlug and RaspberryPi on
this forum. Both are cheap, are fanless, powerful and have ready to run
builds with SqueezeSlave.
One probably would just need an extra casing for RaspberryPi (there are
some to buy out there) and then you'll have a device much like a SB
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verypsb
2012-09-04 06:04:58 UTC
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Squuezeslave does not work with sample rates other than 44.1khz/16bit
and many music streaming services don't work with Squeezeslave.


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erland
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verypsb wrote:
> Squuezeslave does not work with sample rates other than 44.1khz/16bit
> and many music streaming services don't work with Squeezeslave.
>
Isn't that because Logitech generally blocks all non Logitech players
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GeeJay
2012-09-04 06:27:11 UTC
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erland wrote:
> Isn't that because Logitech generally blocks all non Logitech players
> from mysqueezebox.com provided premium streaming services ?

One would hope if that is the case, they would lift the restriction.
Unless they plan to sell more devices which offer that feature.

I'm still not entirely convinced they won't, and if that is what happens
they will be more concerned about producing a product you might purchase
to replace your SB, which suddenly has less functionality than you used
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bpa
2012-09-04 11:18:56 UTC
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GeeJay wrote:
> One would hope if that is the case, they would lift the restriction.
> Unless they plan to sell more devices which offer that feature.
>
> I'm still not entirely convinced they won't, and if that is what happens
> they will be more concerned about producing a product you might purchase
> to replace your SB, which suddenly has less functionality than you used
> to enjoy.
I think there are two issues.

1. IIRC Squeezeslave (and many other non Logitech players) cannot play
many audio stream direct (i.e. stream goes from station to player and
player sends metadata to server for display) and also the player does
not have many native audio codec and so require LMS to transcode.

2. Some premium streams have some sort of agreement with Logitech
effectively requiring Logitech to ensure that streams only go to
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erland wrote:
> Isn't that because Logitech generally blocks all non Logitech players
> from mysqueezebox.com provided premium streaming services ?
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pippin
2012-09-04 13:59:06 UTC
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But please be aware that despite all their lyrics about their 192kHz DAC
the dock will only use 48kHz streams, everything else will be
downsampled on iOS. 96kHz currently ONLY seems to work with the Camera
Connection Kit for the iPad!

Other streams will play fine, but as I said: they will be downsampled


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bluegaspode
2012-09-04 16:02:10 UTC
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pippin wrote:
> But please be aware that despite all their lyrics about their 192kHz DAC
> the dock will only use 48kHz streams, everything else will be
> downsampled on iOS. 96kHz currently ONLY seems to work with the Camera
> Connection Kit for the iPad!
>
> Other streams will play fine, but as I said: they will be downsampled
It's not fair that you tell them audiophiles the truth :)
Now that they know they will hear the difference of course ...


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Grumpy Bob
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pippin wrote:
> But please be aware that despite all their lyrics about their 192kHz DAC
> the dock will only use 48kHz streams, everything else will be
> downsampled on iOS. 96kHz currently ONLY seems to work with the Camera
> Connection Kit for the iPad!
>
> Other streams will play fine, but as I said: they will be downsampled

D'you know if one can charge via the camera connection kit (while
playing a digital stream)? My googling would suggest not...

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jimzak
2012-09-04 19:33:55 UTC
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pippin wrote:
> But please be aware that despite all their lyrics about their 192kHz DAC
> the dock will only use 48kHz streams, everything else will be
> downsampled on iOS. 96kHz currently ONLY seems to work with the Camera
> Connection Kit for the iPad!
>
> Other streams will play fine, but as I said: they will be downsampled

Conclusion: The only solution to higher than 48kHz is to use the CCK
with the iPad, then connect via USB to a DAC.

Unfortunately the iPad will discharge in the process. :(

Even with a PC and SqueezePlay, one is limited to 48kHz.

I am unclear if that means anything to me as I am not convinced that I
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garym
2012-09-04 19:37:07 UTC
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jimzak wrote:
> Conclusion: The only solution to higher than 48kHz is to use the CCK
> with the iPad, then connect via USB to a DAC.
>
> Unfortunately the iPad will discharge in the process. :(
>
> Even with a PC and SqueezePlay, one is limited to 48kHz.
>
> I am unclear if that means anything to me as I am not convinced that I
> can hear anything better.

I wonder if the ipad use (limited to 48) also means that 16/44.1 stuff
is converted to 48 rather than passed through as-is.


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pippin
2012-09-04 21:01:27 UTC
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Grumpy Bob wrote:
> D'you know if one can charge via the camera connection kit (while
> playing a digital stream)? My googling would suggest not...
>
> Robert

No. But maybe somebody eventually makes a dock that also supports 96
kHz....


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2012-09-04 21:04:34 UTC
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garym wrote:
> I wonder if the ipad use (limited to 48) also means that 16/44.1 stuff
> is converted to 48 rather than passed through as-is.

No, at least with iPeng it will play as it is.
And iPad DOES support 96kHz USB output, it's just that it's only with
the CCK.

If you use analog out on an iThingy, everything will be downsampled to
44.1, if you use HDMI, stuff will be up- or downsampled to 48 (that's
the only thing HDMI supports) and if you use AirPlay it's either 44.1 or
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pippin
2012-09-04 21:48:54 UTC
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And just like last year, they didn't have any personnel for their booth
on IFA but only some distributor type handling several products


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